Bl4ckD0g wrote:

I would guess fuel economy. I couldn't think of any other reason.

The car will get a green "4" sticker for the roads. Most cities use this a the moment to stop some cars. My Mini Cooper S also had the "4". So I am ok there.

Also, the car is Euro 6d-Temp. Which is ok for a few more years (again at the moment). The cities that are banning diesel cars are starting to restrict the Euro "4" cars.

I will try and arrange to drive a 5L SC not sure I will need all of that power. I was looking at the 4.4 over the 3 as I will be using it to tow my classic car places. Also a friend and I are doing up some cars and often need to move them.
So towing with the 5SC or the SDV8?




The white paint job on that car that was linked, no I don't think I can live with that.

Towing on paper is better for diesel. But I don't know if anyone can feel the difference. I thought I will tow and my 5.0 came with a deployable. I have not used it so far.

5.0 packs a lot of power. No one will ever need it. But it is for fun factor, refinement. I'd say go for SV if you can.

I'd also say to just ditch standard paints.. Fuji white is too plain. Go with special white colours that are optional extra. They look fantastic. Black is too common and nothing special about it. Looks like company car or a taxi.

The link you sent with that special paint looks stunning. It will be hard to re sell but it stands out.

The 4.4 SDV8 is much better for towing. The 5.0SC can tow well enough, but it is less well suited to doing so and has to make more of an effort, which is reflected in the fuel consumption. I have seen an instantaneous 4mpg towing a not especially heavy trailer up a not particularly steep hill off road.

If you do mainly town driving with few opportunities to sit at higher speeds (say 100km/h) for extended periods the diesel may give you problems with the diesel particulate filter getting clogged up. If that is your situation then choose the 5.0SC. The 5.0SC is a lovely engine, you don't have the hassle of AdBlue and the extra tank size reduces the range differential. But the 4.4 SDV8 is a good engine too.

On tow bars, some deployable bars have had problems with seizing, and they are much more expensive to retrofit. They have a lower nose weight rating than the multi-height alternative, which is also cheaper and simpler. It is what I have and while it is less "cool" to attach than pressing a button and watching it emerge, it is quick and easy to do. If the car you like does not have a tow bar then I'd recommend the multi height one.

On other equipment, the Vogue SE and AB models have more comfortable semi-aniline leather seats, and the standard audio on the Vogue is not great. Even the standard audio on VSE and AB is not brilliant for classical music, but the extra 1700W version is expensive (about £4,200 in UK now I think).

The car you have linked to seems expensive by UK standards, perhaps a product of German taxes, here I think especially for diesels it would be more of a buyer's market and one might expect to find a car like that for about 100,000 euros.

I hope you find the right car and enjoy it. Only Range Rovers since 1988

The reason I like Diesel is simply less trips to Tesco to fill up so its sort of fuel economy but not to save money, you don't buy any Range Rover to save money and if you really want a quick car (which my 5.0L supercharged undoubtedly was) I would prefer something that can handle. As for driving into Cities, I never do it, I just get the train its much easier, anyway there are no cities in the North that currently have any restrictions. Geoff

My last 2 cars I kept 7+ years each. So I would hope to keep the RR the same sort of time - hopefully, longer. How long do people keep theirs?
In fact, I wasn't really looking to sell my current family wagon (VW Sharan) but sometimes life is too short not to follow your dreams. So thinking about selling value isn't so important now. As by that time the resell values are low anyway.

I am waiting for an answer from the sales guy if he can't discount the car what can he throw-in.

Looking at the prices this car new was about €170,000 (£140,000). When I did the same car on the UK Website it was about £120,000. So there seems to be a big starting cost difference.

Thank for the comments so far. Y

supershuttle wrote:

Looks a great car, I'm on my third RR all with RSE that I have never used so I personally wouldn't worry about that. I've also just swapped my 5.0L supercharged for a diesel (great decision on my part) I still don't understand the fuss about all this, then again I don't understand the fuss about everything people fuss about on this forum. BUT I would get the dealer to sort out some steps.

Finally its up to you, looks like a great car to me.

CS wrote:

The 4.4 SDV8 is much better for towing. The 5.0SC can tow well enough, but it is less well suited to doing so and has to make more of an effort, which is reflected in the fuel consumption. I have seen an instantaneous 4mpg towing a not especially heavy trailer up a not particularly steep hill off road.

I can't be bothered looking it up, the 4.4 TDV8 has enough get up and go for my needs and thats all I need to know. I'm pretty sure my 5.0L SC had more BHP but less Torque, as I say If you're that bothered you can look it up yourself and let me know.  Geoff

You had talked down the 5.0l SC as fuss and promoted the diesel (which has nothing over the the 5.0SC)...nothing for me to look up  2014 FF Autobiography 5.0 SC
2008 FFRR (sold)
2008 BMW M5

The 4.4 V8 diesel has more torque, a flatter torque curve and max torque available much lower down the rev range.

 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8

Previous cars :
2003 Range Rover Vogue TD6
1999 Discovery Td5 ES
1995 BMW M5 3.8 6 speed
1992 Range Rover 3.9 Efi Vogue
1992 BMW M5 3.8
1988 BMW 735i SE
1989 Ford Sierra XR4x4 2.9i
1981 Ford Fiesta Supersport

50lb more tq isn’t much more. And it has 170 less HP.

you’re not pulling Redwoods out of the ground. You’re towing something with wheels. I’ll take the 461 lb tq and 503 HP....and if I’m feeling frisky I could tune it which would put it at mid 500’s tq and almost 600 hp IIRC 2014 FF Autobiography 5.0 SC
2008 FFRR (sold)
2008 BMW M5

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horse86 wrote:

You had talked down the 5.0l SC as fuss and promoted the diesel (which has nothing over the the 5.0SC)...nothing for me to look up

^ then why make your “fuss” comment to begin with? (shrug) 2014 FF Autobiography 5.0 SC
2008 FFRR (sold)
2008 BMW M5

Clearly you didn't understand my post, I certainly didn't talk down anything. I just said for my needs the SDV8 is fine and requires less trips to the filling station. I think you are demonstrating the fuss I was talking about - who cares. Geoff