I feel sorry for the normal hard working folk of Scotland who are proud to be part of the union and happy with the status quo. Worrying times ahead for them I feel.

I've just read that Japanese bank Nomura is telling all its clients to pull their money out of Britain if there is a Yes vote and that the pound would drop in value by 15%.

As I'm paid in Euro's this effectively means a 15% pay RISE, so BRING IT ON!!!!

if voted yes to independence, will we still get the very much anticipated scottish football results down south ... ... - .- -.




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Only if you have Eurosport Stan..... Regards
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Machinehead,

Fair point about the council house comments but in fairness I never said they were lesser people (for the record we moved up to an ex-council house shortly after we were married and were very happy with it).

I apologise if I've offended anyone - I'm only saying as I see / find locally - so sorry for that.

However, you do seem to miss the irony of the YES camp when they rattle on about being governed by a government they didn't elect etc. The same people who believe they should have an opportunity to be governed by a party they choose obviously believe I shouldn't share the same right.

Which ever way you look at it, neck end of 50% of the population is going to be dissatisfied with whatever the outcome of the referendum is.

The pound value is based on the GDP of the country, given that Scotland is actually a wealthy country when based on its GDP it will be higher in value than rUK's. The reason however that currency union makes sense is it allows Scotland and rUK to continue trading without added economic barriers. I personally don't doubt it would happen as it is in rUK and Scotland interest.

I could show you hundreds of defaced yes markers, so again that silliness is on both sides. I did laugh at the ingenuity of one yes person up here who rather than vandalise rolled a hay bale in front of a no marker.

In balance no have refused to or cannot provide answers either - in reality answers on both sides are predictions in any case not fact. if they knew fact stuff the ref tell me the lottery numbers

There has been an ugly element in both sides and that I am afraid is down to human nature, it is however deeply biased to say yes voters are the only ones behaving badly.

I am balanced in my view of the behaviour of some people but they represent supporters of both sides and both are to be frowned upon in my opinion for trying to debase a serious an to be fair quite interesting and important debate. 09 TDV8 Westminster, Mariana Black, Rear seat entertainment, hatch bag and 2 slobbery mutts

Gazellio @ Prestige Cars wrote:

I feel sorry for the normal hard working folk of Scotland who are proud to be part of the union and happy with the status quo. Worrying times ahead for them I feel.

I like to think I am normal, I'm certainly hard working and clearly I am not a no voter, so if it goes no you wouldn't feel sorry for me?

The reason I say that is not to be contentious but because I think its not about feeling sorry for people, I do think pitying someone is not terribly flattering to them. its about the future of a country and if it chooses the right to self determine its own future. At the end of the day the majority will determine the future and most will go on living as normal long after the referendum regardless of the outcome.

I will accept the outcome regardless and carry on living and working without animosity if no or smugness if yes

Edit - Sorry Stan I can't give an opinion as to the football results as I'm not a footballist  09 TDV8 Westminster, Mariana Black, Rear seat entertainment, hatch bag and 2 slobbery mutts

From my earlier post

a country is just like a business - ultimately you can't spend what you don't have and the markets will stop lending you money

What currency will an independent Scotland use?
Will an independent Scotland honour their share of the UK national debt?
If not, how will an independent Scotland fund itself, given no international markets would be likely to lend to them?
How will an independent Scotland interact with Europe, given the EU will not let them join under the current post independence plans? (primarily because Scotland won't have a currency or a central bank to set monetary policy)

Alex Salmond has totally failed to answer these fundamental questions.

I don't see how anyone could contemplate voting Yes without being clear on these points.
As currently presented I believe the plans for an independent Scotland will result in economic meltdown (markets hate uncertainty, but uncertainty is the only thing which is being presented - who is going to invest there??)

Whether Scotland becomes independent or not really won't impact me. I just feel sorry for the honest, hard working Scots who will suffer because fundamentals underpinning an independent Scottish economy have not been thought out. 2007 Zermatt Silver TDV8 Vogue SE - now sold but was a great car!

I saw this in Campbelltown when I visited earlier this year. The memorial garden was built by her local friends in the area, not by her husband. Right behind is a tribute (no doubt deserved) to a local woman - 'a true Campbelltownian' - not some American with an English husband. It really seemed to be making a point, and not a very nice one

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its all posturing on both sides, Scotland will and we all know should share its percentage of the accrued debt, just as much as rUK will for their own benefit negotiate a currency union. 09 TDV8 Westminster, Mariana Black, Rear seat entertainment, hatch bag and 2 slobbery mutts

stan wrote:

if voted yes to independence, will we still get the very much anticipated scottish football results down south ...

Darling cannot answer what if any job creating powers would be given to Scotland
The second the polls shifted rUK offered a new powers deal, so it was not serious about the new powers it promised but refused to name previously?
Labour better together are screaming that conserve gov't are going to destroy the NHS in the uk, but say its not in the better together debate- which is it?
If Scotland and its finances are not very important to rUk why have the pm and major party leaders dropped everything at the first sign of yes gaining a lead to suddenly campaign when before they never bothered.

the questions pile up on both sides to be fair but as far as I can see the yes makes better sense and more positive about an image of Scotland future. no is most you cannot do it you will fail, all negatives 09 TDV8 Westminster, Mariana Black, Rear seat entertainment, hatch bag and 2 slobbery mutts

RiccartonRR wrote:

Machinehead,
However, you do seem to miss the irony of the YES camp when they rattle on about being governed by a government they didn't elect etc. The same people who believe they should have an opportunity to be governed by a party they choose obviously believe I shouldn't share the same right.

RiccartonRR wrote:

Which ever way you look at it, neck end of 50% of the population is going to be dissatisfied with whatever the outcome of the referendum is.

^^ I rather suspect one mans negative is another's reality.

Whatever the result, we'll all still have the same neighbours, drive on the same roads, drink in the same pubs, Scots are known for their stoicism, so we'll all deal with it together, for good or bad.

Wether an individual comes from a council estate or not, there are those who do harbour a deep seated resentment of other countries and cultures and it's those who are using this as a convenient excuse to display their true colours. Got - 2017 SDV8 Autobiography in Loire Blue
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MachineHead wrote:

its all posturing on both sides, Scotland will and we all know should share its percentage of the accrued debt, just as much as rUK will for their own benefit negotiate a currency union.