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....or noddy will pull you over

And then smash your car up.

noddy wrote:

What if this "OAP" had a gun down the side of his seat? It looks OTT, but that guy could have been another Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat. Appearances can be deceiving.

noddy wrote:

To say the motorist is persecuted these days, I don't agree with.

Quite. What it should say is " The ordinary decent motorist is persecuted" probably because they'll put up less of a fight than all the Barryboys in their badly modified, mostly unroadworthy who hang around in large gangs and thus intimidate the Police. Or the local travellers camp, or drug pushers etc.

The car had issues, the driver had committed a few minor infringements. Neither of these warranted anything like the response which was meted out by those thugs. Had they not been wearing (sullying?) the Police uniform they would have been locked up for violent conduct. The uniform does not give them the right to behave in that fashion and I truly hope they get locked up for it. Of course, we all know that won't happen because the Police are above the law nowadays. Probably the main reason they get little respect which is a shame. Not all Police are thugs but the facts are that mud sticks.

The bottom line from watching that video (and we all know the camera doesn't lie even if the tabloids do) is that the Rozzers involved were that someone had dared to question their over-exercised, ego driven authority and they made a point of doing massive damage to his car and roughing him up in the process purely for revenge purposes. They richly deserve a dishonourable discharge and prosecution for violent conduct. The whole episode could have been dealt with using a ticket in the post or by waiting for him at his house.

How many other incidents could have been dealt with in the time they were all stroking their own over-inflated egos?

On the flip side, I get on extremely well with our local Copper and also our county Firearms Officer, both of who are damn fine people. Even they have said that rooting out the bad apples is essential to them rebuilding public trust. They do nothing but good work in our county as do the vast majority of their colleagues and I really sympathise with the position they're put in due to poor management, target driven policing and the odd thug who frequents their ranks.

I'm looking forward to the days of Elected Police Chiefs who will have to been seen to do the right thing if they want to retain their well salaried jobs. Until that time I'll just be thankful I'm not a Brazilian Electrician or a Pensioner without a seatbelt.

well said,

I and many others have personally seen certain police officers trying to inflame situations - bad agressive attitude - there are also loads of incidents of Police brutailty and Officers who have been suspended and ultimately dismissed because of this - then they wonder why they get a bad name.

Yes this old gentlmen did wrong, but no way did he deserve a response like THAT

Here's his windscreen ........

I'm getting deja vu... too many topics about the same thing.

Regards the windscreen, you could (kind of) argue that he was unable to run for it again... So mission accomplished.

we've often seen on tv cars being driven at the police so like you said fox, job done.

Very interested in the responses from everyone about this incident. There definatley appears to be a split of opinion as to whether these police officers were justified to use the force they did.


Thanks you for your comments noddy (as a qualified professional - I had been expecting a reasoned reply from you) - I am sure you can appreciate - I was not aware of the additional facts you have provided when I first watched this report.

I was led to believe (by SKY News) this was a standard response from two professional individuals towards the kindly, doddery old gentleman that had misunderstood the initial situation after being stopped for not wearing a seatbelt.

I wasn't informed about how he knocked over a police officer, or how he was only stopped after he had driven over a stinger device (It was reported, he had stopped on his own accord after seeing the device in the road ahead)...

...incidently - how was his car able to roll backwards slightly, whilst being dragged from the vehicle, if all of the tyres had been popped by the stinger?

I did not know his front passenger windows were tinted/blacked out and assumed the police knew he was elderly having just stopped him moments before.

I was not aware he had threatened the police officers in question, or that he had previous history of an aggressive nature towards police.

I did think his excuse of 'I thought I was getting a police escort home!' was very weak - however you can be sure this reason was promoted and heavily relied upon by his solicitor during their time in court.

My point, when mentioning the pursuit speed of 42mph, was that if he was attempting to escape capture - his vehicle would have easily been able to acheive a much higher mph along that road - I find it difficult to keep mine below that speed !

Of course you are correct - there are two sides to every story and my original comments were not directed at the police force in general.

I am still un-decided if this response was justified - but thanks again for the extra info

Wow what a debate!

A delicate issue this one and i think that ultimately it is hard to make a conclusion based on the limited clip we are seeing on Sky News,

There are good and bad cops as seen on all the police TV programs and there are reasonable and unreasonable old men. I have a view on what i think probally really happened!!!!!

For the record, I thought the RRs behavior was outstanding

Sky News- the tv equivalent of the Sun newspaper!

mzplcg wrote:

That scumbag climbing all over the bonnet could have seen quite clearly the occupant was an eldery person and quite unlike your average gun-toting drug pusher

It just goes to show that there is always two sides to a story and that the truth almost never lies in the middle , I read with interest Noddy that you could show them where to hit the window to brake it and I was thinking in the fire service we use a self activating centre punch for "glass management " and although I've yet to try it on laminated side windows would it not be a better way of smashing some ones side window without making every body involved breathing in glass shards ? 2008 MY Supercharged
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My 2 cents.

First of all, if his car had been a 2007 instead of a 2003, the glass wouldn't have smashed!

Now my rant

This is exactly whats wrong with this country! Everyone automatically looks to blame the police every time something happens. YES there is CCTV that makes it look like the cops went over the top. BUT the old gimmer paints a one sided picture and Noddy, quite rightly points out that things aren't exactly black and white.

70 years old doesnt mean weak and doddery! I have personal experience of a 72 year old navvy that wouldn't put my 25 year old mate down. He had him in a bear hug, feet off the ground trying to bite his head. Took 10 minutes of severe action to get him off No doubt if anyone had been arsed enough to print a story it wouldn't have read well.......

The fact of the matter is that the guy knew what he was doing. He might be trying to claim that he's a doddery moron to get out of several offences, but hands up who believes that bo ocks.

YES it appeared to be an overreaction but, tough . The guy made his bed. He failed to stop for the police after a confrontational stop. Both the police AND the gimmer will be high on adrenalin by this point. The pursuit would have made things worse and the traffic cops are trained and programmed to react in the way they did. He was STOPPED by the stinger. Not because he chose to. They then had to MAKE SURE he didn't move again. IF they hadn't and the guy had gone and ran a kid over, the headline would be very different, but would still blame the police. 'Why didn't they smash his windows' would be the cry

I can't believe some of you EXPECTED the cops to ask him to open the door? Perhaps they should have made him a cappuccino so they could talk it over like adults.

Yes, they overreacted a bit. But it was just a bit. If he had stopped and stayed stopped, none of it would have happened. He would have got his £30 ticket and been on his way.

Were creating an environment where the police will eventually be afraid to do their job. Then everyones up creek. If this had been the USA, and I know it's not, the old guy would be up for: Reckless endangerment, failing to yeild and Attempted murder of a police officer. He would be up for the death sentence in a dozen states!

Look at Raoul Moat as an example. The moment he died EVERYONE was blaming the police, 'taser' this, 'talk him out of it' that. Rubbish. This murderer shot a cop in the face, shot a young girl in the face and murdered her boyfiend. If anyone thinks he deserves anybodys sympathy or protection then raise your hand. I'm surprised they could be bothered trying to talk him out of suicide at all........... My Previous RR's!
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hoppy_70 wrote:

Look at Raoul Moat as an example. The moment he died EVERYONE was blaming the police, 'taser' this, 'talk him out of it' that. Rubbish. This murderer shot a cop in the face, shot a young girl in the face and murdered her boyfiend. If anyone thinks he deserves anybodys sympathy or protection then raise your hand. I'm surprised they could be bothered trying to talk him out of suicide at all...........

I wouldn't say EVERYONE, Hoppy - just the "Green Room" from the Jeremy Kyle show. Feral f rs! Moat was a cowardly, murdering example of what happens when you succumb to 'roid rage. Unfortunate that there was a shortage of real news that particular week, and that the whole incident was given far too much air-time.