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johnboyairey



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It certainly looks impressive, -but, if you were say backing up in a standard bumper Rangie, . and you hit a low wall square on, you would hear all the bumper breaking up etc.
On your bumper Pete, there (possibly) is no room for any deformation. It's possible, that you could buckle your chassis under the axle. Ie break the cars back' if you were rear ended, or hit a stump. When backing up. I remember older jags with slim rubber bumpers over metal bumper bars, had crash cans behind the bumper, to absorb such impacts, and we're changeable. I don't know if the Rangie has these though.
I don't need to tell you of the merits/demerits of the monocoque chassis against the older separate chassis. - but just throwing a metaphorical 'log' onto the modification campfire talk.
P.s. That weld round the upper skirt to bumper looks very neat, was that mig or tig?

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Haylands



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The original bumper bolts to holes through the rear panel, the panel is a triple skinned 4" deep box section with sleeved holes, it is also designed to resist impact, not to provide the pulling forces a winch can produce, there are also two large brackets that form part of the tow bar fitment, these are designed for pulling... 8mm plate has been used flat against the rear panel to joint all the mounting points together to provide the necessary strength for the winch.... The bumper bar is designed to withstand a certain force before bending, then another force for total destruction, the rear of the FF must be designed to withstand this force without bending or it would share some of the impact and deform to a lesser degree, just because the crash bumper is the first thing hit does not mean it takes the brunt of the impact, it is the design of it that allows it to deform....

My new bumper won't deform and absorb impact at lower speeds but it will withstand the impacts and not deform, as long as the force doesn't reach the minimum needed to deform the crash absorption of the rear of the monocoque then the FF won't bend... There will be a fraction of a difference between old and new as the old bumper would absorb some of the impact and not transfer it to the shell but this will be a minuscule amount of force... The 8mm plate will spread any impact to a much wider area, some 1500 x 230mm as opposed to two small areas around 150 x 150mm plus it transfers force through the tow bar mounts...

Trust me... It'l be fine...... Thumbs Up Thumbs Up

P.S. It's all mig welding but I have to say it wasn't me who did that one.... my mate is much steadier on his feet than me and can weld in a straight line..... Rolling Eyes Whistle Pete
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2011 L322 Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8 Baltic Blue. Parchment over Navy Interior. Sold
2012 L322 Autobiography 5.0 Supercharged Ipanema Sand, Jet Interior. Sold
2002 L322 Vogue 4.4 V8 Epson Green, Ivory over Aspen Interior (Fatty Offroader) Sold
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johnboyairey



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Just looking at your pics again. You have done a really good job. Just to add a comment, for other members to note: I was discussing towing a car with someone, an the topic of towing 'eyes' came up. (Little loops at front and rear of all cars these days?) these are just for strapping a car to a flatbed, or for removing from crash scene/ditch. Not for towing your wife home, coz she left the lights on etc. you can tear a boot floor open trying to tow a car home on these.


Looking forward to next picture slideshow Pete. And that super shiny tailgate with a big ol' Tonka toy wheel on!

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Haylands



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Just another update to keep the thread together... plus more detail and pics of the front bumper construction...

Got the rear winch sorted, picked up a broken old one, (paid �10 for it Thumbs Up ) stripped it down, fixed it and repainted it, should be OK for a while...

New, modified tailgate fitted....





Rear just about finished, winch in, de badged as it just read "RAN" with the wheel in place, number plate moved, finished it off with the LandRover Oval... not too happy with the wheel carrier, really needs a top mount, the saddle clamp bearings saddle is not man enough for the job and it's flexing.... will sort one soon... Waiting on some wheel nuts as well....





Had a look at the front, plenty of room for the winch once all the superficial plastic removed and the air con fan, don't need it any more since fitting the electric fans to the other side of the rad... It won't stick out any further than the original bumper... 8mm plate drilled to fit the original mounting holes, then 4mm winch plate welded to that, then start building from there...


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Decided to cut the bottom off the front wings, much easier to do it that way...


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Poor little Rangie looked a bit sad.... This is the top section made with a template from the original bumper with the ends modified to stick out past the wing a bit





Welded the front to the winch tray then the front to the top, weld and bend as you go, takes a lot of effort to get a smooth bend and not a kink..





Action shot... weld dressing...


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First fit of bumper, note the extra long front piece at the sides to help with bending...





Cut out the front detail, this is for aesthetics to stop it looking so slabby and to help airflow as well as bolt the winch on... Also welded a return to it, makes it look so much better, this is all just tacked in place,


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A hole cut for the winch with nice contoured edges, again with a return welded in place


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It was all seam welded and ground back, gives the final bumper incredible strength...









All done now, fully cleaned up, stone chipped, top coated, winch fitted. Had to cut the grille around the winch, the large hole is for access to the winch free wheel and also to connect the winch control.





Sorted out the spare wheel carrier, the "one bottom mount" idea didn't work very well, I used two saddle clamp bearings but the saddles weren't really up to the job and flexed a lot, I was trying to do it on the cheap as a mate gave me them to try...

Anyway design number two involved Heim Joints (Rose Joint) and a top mount as well... 14mm heavy duty joints and stainless fixings came to about �60...














Cut out and welded on two 8mm thick top mounts, ground down and painted.




Finally in place, it's now very strong and has no flex at all... Thumbs Up Thumbs Up


 Pete
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2011 L322 Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8 Baltic Blue. Parchment over Navy Interior. Sold
2012 L322 Autobiography 5.0 Supercharged Ipanema Sand, Jet Interior. Sold
2002 L322 Vogue 4.4 V8 Epson Green, Ivory over Aspen Interior (Fatty Offroader) Sold
-Click for Project Fatty off roader-

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RR2008HSE



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Very nicely done! Thumbs Up Bow down

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Haylands



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Thanks...

Video of the silly loud exhaust since I took the rear box off

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Being the tight git that I am I decided to sort it with second hand parts, well, some of it, found a rear box from an Audi S4 that was smaller in every direction than the original one, best bit was it's less then 3 1/2 inches top to bottom and it's made of Stainless Steel...

Went to an exhaust place I know and persuaded them to let me use their bender and stretcher so knocked up a few bits and bobs...

When you cut off the rear box you end up with this...


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I then cut them back to here and added two slip joints, also took about 5" out of the length of the pipe so the bend in front hugs the diff a bit better, reducing the angles and the pipe length to keep the new box as tight as possible up to the rear subframe...


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Propped the new box in place with a transmission stand, offered the pipe back up, made a 2 into 1 and tacked it up in place, then removed it and welded it all up apart from the slip joints...





Bent up two new mounts out of stainless bar, welded them on then cut the old tips of the FF box to finish off this one and have the exhaust facing down...

It's much further out the way than the old one, should be fine off road and the best bit is it's nearly as quiet as the original box, the awful drone at motorway speeds has gone...

Gave it the once over with a wire brush in the grinder, might clean the rest of the paint off it and just leave it like that.....





I'm happy and the neighbours are talking to me again... Thumbs Up Pete
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2014 L405 Autobiography SDV8 4.4 Loire Blue Ebony interior
2011 L322 Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8 Baltic Blue. Parchment over Navy Interior. Sold
2012 L322 Autobiography 5.0 Supercharged Ipanema Sand, Jet Interior. Sold
2002 L322 Vogue 4.4 V8 Epson Green, Ivory over Aspen Interior (Fatty Offroader) Sold
-Click for Project Fatty off roader-

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Starberg



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Impressive work mate! Following your thread with great interest Thumbs Up L322 Vogue 2003

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Numb



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Nice one, very impressive and top notch work. Thumbs Up Thumbs Up

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JurgKonrad



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Impressiv! Good Work

I read your thread from the beginning in one evening. Really impressiv. Really good job.
I'm curious what comes next.
Thumbs Up

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Haylands



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Thanks chaps, JurgKonrad, that took some dedication, well done... as for what's next I'm half way through a twin pump set up for the EAS, fitting both pumps inside the sub woofer box to keep them out of the bottom of the boot in case she goes swimming again, I also want to move the windscreen washer bottle so I can remove the sides of the front skid plate and free up more space to get the front wheel on obstacles... plus another 101 other jobs I have in mind.... nothing as dramatic as the last few months though.... Thumbs Up Pete
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2014 L405 Autobiography SDV8 4.4 Loire Blue Ebony interior
2011 L322 Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8 Baltic Blue. Parchment over Navy Interior. Sold
2012 L322 Autobiography 5.0 Supercharged Ipanema Sand, Jet Interior. Sold
2002 L322 Vogue 4.4 V8 Epson Green, Ivory over Aspen Interior (Fatty Offroader) Sold
-Click for Project Fatty off roader-

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Have only just stumbled across and read through this thread what a great build and now looking like a serios off roader Thumbs Up fantastic fabrication work Bow down 2010 RR 4.4TdV8 Vogue
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mzplcg



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Pete, are you sure your name's not Hannibal? or Face? Laughing (Those younger than 45 won't understand that)

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Cam-Tech-Craig



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Im younger and remember them Whistle Whistle Whistle Rolling Eyes

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Haylands



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Rosso_NI, Thanks, glad you enjoyed it...

mzplcg wrote:
Pete, are you sure your name's not Hannibal? or Face? Laughing (Those younger than 45 won't understand that)


I'm only 13 and 3/4, so haven't got a clue who your talking about...????

Yours

Adrian Mole


Craig... has Sky got down there yet?? Pete
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2014 L405 Autobiography SDV8 4.4 Loire Blue Ebony interior
2011 L322 Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8 Baltic Blue. Parchment over Navy Interior. Sold
2012 L322 Autobiography 5.0 Supercharged Ipanema Sand, Jet Interior. Sold
2002 L322 Vogue 4.4 V8 Epson Green, Ivory over Aspen Interior (Fatty Offroader) Sold
-Click for Project Fatty off roader-

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chex



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Hi Pete

IIRC you have a mechanical thermostat right? I sometimes get a CEL flashing when under load but the only fault that ever shows for me is thermostat current. Either that or 'no comm with ECU' until I clear all faults. 2004 L322 V8

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