Hi, I've been advised to steer well clear of the Ingenium engine.

Supposedly it is a really highly stressed unit who's main design goal is to minimise emissions, pretty much at the expense of all else, they're not expected to last much beyond 75k miles, long life & reliability are secondary concerns now.

Not had one myself, but seems a lot of reports of premature catastrophic failures. Would I chance out in the wilderness, not at all.

Unfortunately lazy V8s are great for long life and ease of maintenance, but to get the emiisions below the required thresholds are a heavy investment car companies are reluctant to spend as they'll never recoup that cost just for the flagship models not enough volume.

Bear in mind the 20% electric or else mandate and even now margins are really tight so they'll go with what sells. However, the Australian & American markets love their V8s so the engines will still be available, but not necessarily on UK spec cars, if that does turn out to be the case I'd seriously consider a personal V8 import from the land down under.

A. Fuji White / Jet 2012 4.4 TDV8 Westminster

All the above sounds like honest genuine comments to me regarding Ingenium engines.
Back in March this year, I called my local indy to book the fullfat in for its service, knowing they get incredibly busy and it was the cambelt service, plus I wanted a new oil pump as a preventive measure, so a 2-day job: -the service wasn’t due until mid-April. They told me I called at the right time, because they literally couldn’t move in the workshop for new crated Ingenium engines waiting to go into vehicles. Most of these would be 4-cyl judging by several Evoques in the yard.
We had an Evoque 2.2HSE (diesel) for 3 years which never missed a beat other than “battery low, start engine” , a very rapid and smart little car, with all conceivable options, but only 27K miles, so maybe we were lucky: simply not enough miles. “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” -where’s the fun in that?

Seems to me, motor manufacturers are not considering something:
Due to ever-increasing overall cost of ownership of new vehicles in terms of initial outlay, servicing, massive depreciation, and now replacing huge batteries at eye-watering cost, might the informed public suddenly see the benefit in flouting past trends, and seeking to retain, maintain, and preserve what has served them well in the past? I think this could well be a feature set to happen, and well-kept examples especially of more up market cars will be seen to appreciate in value in future as the public lose confidence in where the market is trying to steer them?  “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” -where’s the fun in that?

To the OP, I’m on my 3rd V8 Diesel - all absolutely faultless. I have a friend on his 3rd igniboom engine in one vehicle - think that gives you enough info.

Or go petrol - Brother is on his 3rd 5.0 SC - again all faultless. 2021 L405 Vogue SE 4.4 V8 DIESEL ~ #17

Hi,

I see the trend currently as retention of ownership. I think buyers are stepping up a grade and buying to a level they normally would not with a view to keeping the car for 5 to 10 years rather than the traditional 3.

Not many cars fall to pieces at 3 years as they did in the past so why get rid at that point only to go through mass depreciation again, better to hold on to that car for 5 to 10 and recover some of your initial outlay.

Also I see people investing in a higher spec or next level quality car so that you'd actually want to keep it that long and still have something of value at the end.

What with working from home these days I'm doing 1/4 the miles I was doing 3 years ago in the same job, so mileage and fuel consumption is not really the deciding factor it once was.

OK so my car's not worth a huge amount, insurance and road tax are pretty pricy, but what I'm saving in not chasing a new reg car every year is giving me an incredibly smug grin all the time.

It has everything I want in a car and I'm not losing £20k a year in depreciation and I expect to keep it at least another 5 years unless something goes wrong. When we get to that point, in all honesty with what's on the market right now, I'd probably buy another top spec 2012 L322 V8 and love it as my own.

A. Fuji White / Jet 2012 4.4 TDV8 Westminster

I wouldn't have an Ingenium if you paid me

Truly woeful engine, how it ever made it to production is a mystery

Just to clear is the D300 and D350 six cylinder egines in the new RR Ingenium engines?

They seem to be very well rated??? overfinch modified

So if I want an L460 I'd better get a petrol one? 2017 SDV8 Autobiography

Google auxiliary drive belt issue on Ingenium engines. Mate has a Disco 5 with the 300d engine. The alternator acts as a motor to supplement the diesel engine so all this extra power and torque uses the drive belt which it seems fails on a regular basis across all models that use the feature. 2012 tdv8 Westminster arrived Jan 19 gone Dec 23

200 TDi discovery bobtail gone
RR classic v8 bobtail gone
300 tdi Discovery 3 dr gone

AndyRoo wrote:

Hi,

I see the trend currently as retention of ownership. I think buyers are stepping up a grade and buying to a level they normally would not with a view to keeping the car for 5 to 10 years rather than the traditional 3.

Not many cars fall to pieces at 3 years as they did in the past so why get rid at that point only to go through mass depreciation again, better to hold on to that car for 5 to 10 and recover some of your initial outlay.

Also I see people investing in a higher spec or next level quality car so that you'd actually want to keep it that long and still have something of value at the end.

What with working from home these days I'm doing 1/4 the miles I was doing 3 years ago in the same job, so mileage and fuel consumption is not really the deciding factor it once was.

OK so my car's not worth a huge amount, insurance and road tax are pretty pricy, but what I'm saving in not chasing a new reg car every year is giving me an incredibly smug grin all the time.

It has everything I want in a car and I'm not losing £20k a year in depreciation and I expect to keep it at least another 5 years unless something goes wrong. When we get to that point, in all honesty with what's on the market right now, I'd probably buy another top spec 2012 L322 V8 and love it as my own.

A.

Ouch. My MY17 TDV8 road tax is ‘only’ £190 a year now that it’s more than 5 years old, however I suspect Rachel from accounts will see fit to raise the rate soon. I keep looking at a newer low mileage 2021 SC or TDV8 but not sure the £40k cost to upgrade is worthwhile for the few additional improvements.

My TDV8 has now clocked up 60k miles and has been faultless, such a great car.

The SVA Dynamic looks fun though!

Thanks for all the info, as expected different views ! I have looked i promise, but struggling to see what year were the last Ford V8 4.4 engines on the Range rover were made ? i will run some searches on autotrader and see what is about. Thanks again

The last SDV8’s that were made in any quantity were 2020, some spilled over into 2021 but more were ingenium as time went on.
I also work for an independent LR specialist and we see very few SDV8’s go seriously wrong, but a lot of ingenums failing even with low mileage together with eye watering bills to put them right.

thanks Dave, had a look and prices are strong for the 2017 - 2020 SDV8. but clearly for a reason it seems. Not in a rush and will keep an eye on the market. Not that worried about mileage as when i take it on, it wont do that many each year. just ensure it has a full dealer service history.

You might want to jump sooner rather than later, I've pondered about getting a newer 405 for some time then about 6 months ago I noticed that there were very few approved used late V8 diesels on sale. (incidentally, when 3 of the very knowledgeable & helpful professional fixers of LR products on here all suggest SDV8 over Ingenium it looks like a no brainer to me).
I decided in September to change mine for a 20 plate SDV8 Autobiography as it looked well spec'd & priced. I'm pleased I did as there are even fewer on the LR website now and I suspect that by the new year there'll be none.
Looking on Autotrader I can understand why they appear to be strong money, I paid £15K less than some of the more "ambitiously" priced examples and that included a 2 year LR extended warranty. I expect that there might need to be some significant reductions to make them sell!

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