A Tesla Battery! but could easily be another competitors battery (JLR?) so you think you are very Green eh! Interesting comments.

https://x.com/ampalsson/status/1783272509347110969 2018 SE SDV8 4.4 Byron Blue

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2019 4.4 V8 Diesel Range Rover Autobiography, Byron Blue

finally someone telling the facts

I didnt buy our EV to be green. It was purely financial

I think that's the reason a lot of others bought them as well, Mikey.

Was certainly the reason my folks bought an IPace.

If you can offset the costs of an EV against a business of a salary sacrifice scheme then they are very appealing choices. 2002 4.6 Vogue SE - Alveston Red with Lightstone Leather
2007 Range Rover Supercharged in Java Black with Ivory Leather
2012 Range Rover 5.0 SC Autobiography in Indus Silver with Jet/Ivory Interior
2012 Range Rover 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography in Baltic Blue with Sand Interior

Harry Metcalfe sums it up well in this video explaining why, as a private buyer, he's back with a diesel.

dhallworth wrote:

If you can offset the costs of an EV against a business of a salary sacrifice scheme then they are very appealing choices.

Looking at the title, I think EVs are taking it to another level.😁 John
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2005 TD6 Java Black Vogue - Written off!!
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2003 Discovery TD5 Auto, Nanocom Evolution - gone to a new home!
MasseyFerguson 152 - No electronics!! - Sold

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and I cant blame pre-dick-tive text  2018 SE SDV8 4.4 Byron Blue

Well, this is a Full Fat Range Rover owners' forum so we're all seeking some degree of justification

This summary of what it takes to produce an EV battery, if accurate, is very useful.

Most useful, would be the same kind of summary of what it takes to produce each gallon of petrol or diesel.

We'd probably be just as shocked at the impact of exploration, drilling, extraction, transportation, processing/manufacture, distribution, waste, clean-up and so on. And emissions, of course.

The amount of fuel used by one of the ferries/cruise ships that house oil rig workers during construction and maintenance probably dwarves that used by the aforementioned digger, for example.

I have a FFRR, EV and hybrid 'dailies', and a classic car - I like to think I am sensible about my usage. It does feel like there is a mis-information campaign working against EVs. A steady drip of negative news stories. I try to take most of them with a pinch of salt. Or look for more context.

Just my 2p

There's so many claims from other sources conflated in that single post which have been proven to be factually inaccurate that it's ludicrous.

Yes, there are significant amounts of Lithium, Cobalt, etc in EV batteries. No, you don't need to move hundreds of tons of ore for a single battery unless the saturation of the desired element is at trace levels in the ore.

Etc.

Plenty of ageing EVs rolling around with no significant battery degradation, and whilst not the manufacturer's approach (as they want to sell you a new pack) plenty of specialists have proved it possible to replace only degraded cells in a pack, avoiding the manufacture of a whole new unit.

There's a YouTube chap at the moment who's been doing a series on a UK Tesla Model S which has done almost 500K miles. It's on its original battery and still giving a >250mi range.

No, I'm not an EV fanatic. I owned one in 2015 and it was the worst car ownership experience I've ever had (because Renault). I haven't had another. I'm not a proponent of BEVs as the way forward; I think we should be expending a hell of a lot more effort on carbon neutral synthetic fuels and Hydrogen.

But, BEVs are what we have - and unfortunately they're the latest breeding ground for the tinfoil-hat wearing conspiracy nutter to feed upon to create fact-free viral social media posts that generate a tiny endorphin high to brighten up their otherwise barren, joy-free, paranoid delusional lives.

No, I'm not trying to start an argument, and no, I won't be back to answer the inevitable responses telling me I'm a rice-munching, sandal-wearing, leftist vegan hippie activist who has no business on the FFRR forums. I'm just a bloke whose job involves presenting facts for people far cleverer than me to base decisions worth hundreds of millions of dollars on, and who therefore dislikes misleading or untrue information being disguised as fact. 2012 (L322) 4.4TDV8 Vogue SE, RSE, Fuji White over Arabica.
Previous V8s: BMW 645Ci, P38 4.6, P38 4.0, Merc CL500
Previous others: Honda x1, Volvo x7, Rover x6, BMW x6, Ford x1, Mercedes x2, Skoda x3, VW x2, Renault x2, Citroen x1, Mazda x3, Nissan x1, Audi x3, Kia x1, Fiat x4, Subaru x3, Austin x2, Triumph x2, Jeep x2, Hyundai x2, Lexus x1, Mitsubishi x1, Saab x2... and some others I've forgotten!

Hi, it's a generation thing, each generation brings it's own advances and nay-sayers lamenting the loss of the previous one.

How many folks rave over the Ford Cortina, how it was the staple junior managers car, would you want one today, (excepting the fact a survivor is worth a fortune), doesn't start, less than 30mpg, as unreliable as you can get, really bad emmisions ? No of course not, it can't possibly compare with current efficiency, reliability and safety of cars on the market today, and the same will apply in 20 years time.

But it has it's place, same as the fatties, they are what they are, and big motors, heavy bodies etc will always be above average in terms of resources consumed.

In 20 years time, there will still be the equivalent of fatties on the market, new powertrains for sure, but they'll be safer, more efficient and even more reliable. But the ecologists will still point them out and rave on about them, if fatties disappeared, they'd rave on about the next worst in the list.

Just a point, people associate the Citroen 2CV as the tree-huggers dream transport, one of the dirtiest emitting vehicles ever produced, and that was when new, now, they're probably comparable to hundreds of Honda Civics in the emisions front.

Times move on and the rumble of the big V8 Range Rovers will go the way of my Jensen, only rolled out on occasion when the urge takes me, but I'll not get rid of it.

Just a note, EVs are no better, in fact worse in some cases, regarding other emmisions, like tyre dust, brake dust, effort to build etc. So fuel is just one factor and just happens to be the thing people are focussed on now. Once the fuel problem is resolved, something else will be targetted. Fuji White / Jet 2012 4.4 TDV8 Westminster

Danb_220_2019 wrote:

There's so many claims from other sources conflated in that single post which have been proven to be factually inaccurate that it's ludicrous.


But, BEVs are what we have - and unfortunately they're the latest breeding ground for the tinfoil-hat wearing conspiracy nutter to feed upon to create fact-free viral social media posts that generate a tiny endorphin high to brighten up their otherwise barren, joy-free, paranoid delusional lives.

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