Nah, spend it on fuel instead

It is wothwhile for some if you can update your car for about £2-3000 instead of losing at least that from a low trade in for your car and then paying retail on the new one from the dealer.

You may spend £2000-3000 but in my experience it adds near that to the value anyway of your car at resale time. In addition, you can sell your old bits and get some back for that. Overall it is good value for money.

Although you cant update all the 2010 electronic upgrades and the new engines etc.... which for some may be the big draw.

If your existing front end is in need of some tlc anyway it may be worth changing for the newer bits as i doubt there will be much in it if you are buying new parts for a 2002 or a 2010.

If money no object then just buy a 2010 but in the current climate it is more of a problem for some. Unless you dont write a cheque for your car and pay for it monthly?

Would you really expect to get the cost of updating the front end back at resale? I don't think a trader would pay a premium (if fact perhaps the opposite) as it'd be a non-standard car?

To be honest, many a project has been done for the technical challenge (I put a Td5 engine in my 90 for example) rather than considering pure economics of doing so. People don't aways have to wear the sensible hat

Insurance companies will always want to know of any modifications or alterations, even if you use OE parts and it looks just like a newer but standard car, it will affect your premium I'm sure. Discovery 4 HSE
1998 110 TUM HS FFR Hard Top XD WOLF
1982 Series 3 Hard Top

*Gone:L462 D5 HSE LUX, L663 Defender 110 HSE, Discovery 3 HSE, 2014MY Range Rover Sport 5.0 Supercharged AB Dynamic; L405 Exec Vogue SE 4.4, 5.0 Supercharged Autobiography, Defender TDCi XS CSW, Defender TD5 HT, Vogue SE TDV8, Vogue TD6, RRSport SC 4.2V8, Classic 3.9 Vogue Auto, Land Rover Series 3 SWB

Martin wrote:

Would you really expect to get the cost of updating the front end back at resale? I don't think a trader would pay a premium (if fact perhaps the opposite) as it'd be a non-standard car?

To be honest, many a project has been done for the technical challenge (I put a Td5 engine in my 90 for example) rather than considering pure economics of doing so. People don't aways have to wear the sensible hat

I agree Martin. Main Dealers will NOT pay a premium and non main dealers will say it is a problem. This is so they can negotiate with you. But there are a number of dealers who charge big premiums for older cars that have had a facelift. You can also expect any bought privately to sell quicker and generally get top end money

look at

www.englishleasing.co.uk

They have 2 04 RR V8 Vogues - one at £24980 and one with an Overfinch Bodykit at £29980. They also have a 2003 with upgrade that is reserved.

Sorry dont know how to make them links

Saxton 4x4 & Imperial Cars in Romford have also done conversions and sold at a premium

I spoke to the guy over the phone last night as I wanted some info on his iPhone car kit. His name is Adam and he's a sound bloke. Gave me loads of advice on how to fit the kit

We chatted a little bit about the conversion and he made a good point that the vast majority of people don't know the differences between the L322's - it is only the likes of us lot that spot these little giveaways! He said he pulled onto his local dealers forecourt in it and they nearly fell off their chair when they saw it drive on!

I have sent him a link to this site, so he may drop in! 2010 MY Vogue SE TDV8 3.6 Stornoway Grey- fully loaded

Full fat not diet wrote:

Martin wrote:

Would you really expect to get the cost of updating the front end back at resale? I don't think a trader would pay a premium (if fact perhaps the opposite) as it'd be a non-standard car?

To be honest, many a project has been done for the technical challenge (I put a Td5 engine in my 90 for example) rather than considering pure economics of doing so. People don't aways have to wear the sensible hat

look at

www.englishleasing.co.uk

They have 2 04 RR V8 Vogues - one at £24980 and one with an Overfinch Bodykit at £29980. They also have a 2003 with upgrade that is reserved.

Yes we helped adam with parts for this conversion, one of the first in the country, we have been promoting the possibililty of doing 2010 facelifts for a couple of months now and have built up a client base wanting the twenty10 conversion, we are converting our demo car tomorrow to show clients and have now mastered the wiring of the rear lights and the headlights, so from next week god willing we will be promoting the latest facelift from next week, we expect the cost to be 25% dearer than the 2006 conversions of which we have completed over seventy or so, as people have mentioned on the thread the cost can be offset by selling your old parts, pre 06 parts make £400 to £500 if you have xenons and 2006 parts would make at least £800 i would think on ebay selling to people who would want to convert pre 06 to 2006 spec, i will post a link to our work over the weekend if all goes to plan.

DCC,

All this sounds very interesting indeed, I guess the main question you will face will be How Much?

If you have a price list of 2002-2005MY and then 2006> MY conversions to the 2010 facelift that would be very useful for us all.

Pluys, any indication of how long it takes too. Discovery 4 HSE
1998 110 TUM HS FFR Hard Top XD WOLF
1982 Series 3 Hard Top

*Gone:L462 D5 HSE LUX, L663 Defender 110 HSE, Discovery 3 HSE, 2014MY Range Rover Sport 5.0 Supercharged AB Dynamic; L405 Exec Vogue SE 4.4, 5.0 Supercharged Autobiography, Defender TDCi XS CSW, Defender TD5 HT, Vogue SE TDV8, Vogue TD6, RRSport SC 4.2V8, Classic 3.9 Vogue Auto, Land Rover Series 3 SWB

Be it pre facelfit or a facelfit vehicle the cost will be the same across the range, we have now virtually completed our own car a 2006 vehicle and will be converting one of our other vehicles a pre facelfit car next week so all angles are covered , mainly the wiring which has proved very time consuming indeed, intially the cost was going to be 25% dearer than a 2006 supercharged conversion, but due to time and investment we are estimating £2800 fitted now for the front only, side vents and rear autobiography lights will be add ons, i hope this information is of use to you, oh and at present 2 days to convert although once we have harnesses pre wired we aim to bring this down to a day the same as the previous conversion.

DCC

Mant thanks for keeping us informed of the progress.

I think we are all waiting, with interest, to see the final costings

Once the pre 06 car has been facelifted i will try to post some pictures up, we are also working on facelifting the
sport to 2010 spec , i hope the time spent with regard to the Vogue wiring will save time with the sport as the lights as very similar in that they are led based, so more info the end of next week and should be ready to begin customers cars or at least book them in the week after.

DCC, with regards to the 2010MY rear lights, as they are LED, are they not a straight replacement for the previous ones on a 2006MY> car? Discovery 4 HSE
1998 110 TUM HS FFR Hard Top XD WOLF
1982 Series 3 Hard Top

*Gone:L462 D5 HSE LUX, L663 Defender 110 HSE, Discovery 3 HSE, 2014MY Range Rover Sport 5.0 Supercharged AB Dynamic; L405 Exec Vogue SE 4.4, 5.0 Supercharged Autobiography, Defender TDCi XS CSW, Defender TD5 HT, Vogue SE TDV8, Vogue TD6, RRSport SC 4.2V8, Classic 3.9 Vogue Auto, Land Rover Series 3 SWB

Hi, no they are not a direct replacement sadly, they will plug straight in but you will get the scenario called "disco lights" they will flicker when started and when turned off and sometime during operation, also on say pre 06 cars they are actually worse, the indicators flash double time as if a bulb is out so an MOT failure for a start, also the way they fit the rear quarter are different now.

Just a quick update, we are now running a 2006 facelift range rover and a 2003 Range rover with the 2010 conversions completed including the rear light units, the main area of work has been with the rear lights but we believe we have these perfect now but are running both the vehicles to be sure to iron out any possible gremlins, i am meeting with my electrician tomorrow for final costings and looking at timeframes for the conversions, at present ideally we would like a customers car for 2 days but in the short term we believe we can convert in a day with much of the wiring prepped beforehand, allgoing to paln cutomers vehicles will be booked in starting later next week.