pcourtney wrote:

L322's are still being stolen to order for the Kenyan market ( they have RHD there ) , it's a big market apparently!

I'm amazed that international car thieves would steal an L322 over an L405 / L460 / Newer RRS's (whatever their code is, sorry, they don't interest me).

They take up the same container space, same risk of imprisonment for the act of theft / export of stolen car, etc... So, if you're going to knick a car and sell it in some far away land - why not steal the most expensive car you can, instead of what, at best, is an 11 year old car with significantly less value?

It's not like we're talking about availability, there's an almost limitless supply of L405's sat outside many a household throughout this fine land.

Perhaps though, the stolen car buying people fraternity of Kenya (correctly) appreciate the L322 as a far superior vehicle to it's successors ... Or they’ve been watching too many Harry Metcalfe / Clarkson video collaborations on the virtues of the L322 as the best car in the world… which I happen to think it is, but still you have to consider the risk / reward equation which no doubt our international car thiefs do - they're not thick! 1992 RR Classic 3.9 efi Vogue
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They are not normally shipped in containers to Kenya, they are Roll On Roll Off ships

Also I think it's more a "Stolen to Order" situation, given that there are tens of thousands of L322's already in Kenya ( so plenty of L322 spares already in the breakers yards )

In Kenya, cars that are 84 months or older also attract less import duty as well (because 65% depreciation is factored in ) , so if we take MY11 example - the importer would pay well over 18 grand sterling just in car taxes !

CRSP Value Kes 20,416,333 £105,628
Deprecation % 65 %
Customs Value Kes 3,032,665 £15,690
Import Duty 35% Kes 1,061,433 £5,491
Excise Duty 35% Kes 1,432,934 £7,413
VAT 16% Kes 884,325 £4,575
RDL Kes 60,653 £314
IDF Fees Kes 106,143 £549
Total Taxes Kes 3,545,488 £18,334

Wow Regarding the import duty, it makes sense they knick a lower value car then - thanks, that's fascinating.

As they're going to Keyna by RORO, it begs the question of what our authorities are doing to identify stolen vehicles going out? The stuff going to Albania is generally in containers as I understand it, so at least the UK authorities have the valid explanation that they don't open / inspect every container going out. But to be driven onto a ship, there must be an element of 'ringing' going on to hide the vehicles true identity at least?

Interesting that the vehicle is then legitimised by going through the expensive route of officially importing it into Keyna and paying a shed load of import duty. Obviously the Kenyan authorities don't give a rat's as to it's history / status so long as they get their taxes!  1992 RR Classic 3.9 efi Vogue
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D3Jon wrote:

As they're going to Keyna by RORO, it begs the question of what our authorities are doing to identify stolen vehicles going out?

It’s funny isn’t it that you can’t enter and exit a car park these days without ANPR tracking if you’ve paid or not and yet apparently you can load 100’s of vehicles on to RORO without anyone checking ownership ship status. TDV8 4.4 2012

This year I am paying £284 with Churchill, via a comparison website Policy is a good one.

'BUT' I live in the boonies, my old bus will be well down on the list of desirable cars to be stolen and it's current value ( Peanuts ) probably means that to thieves, it's not worth the time and trouble.

As for Ramblin Man's above post regarding ANPR cameras, most of them are installed by the Government, or companies to make money / fleece the motorists. As for cameras to catch stolen cars being loaded onto Ro/Ro's, they would not generate a profit, they would hinder their cargo / loading operations, so the Government and port owners are not interested. Most of the number plates will probably be false anyway.

Merchy wrote:

so the Government and port owners are not interested. Most of the number plates will probably be false anyway. .

I have an L322 tdv8 4.4 for which l pay about £200 per year on insurance, road tax not so cheap! I have been monitoring the price of L405 SV AB D's and boy are they falling! So made enquiries for insurance, £2k was the cheapest. I'll be sticking for now.....

£200 for insurance, wow that's brilliant Better keep that to yourself or everyone will be moving to Scotland!  1992 RR Classic 3.9 efi Vogue
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last March I paid £168 with the RAC, after reading this post I thought I would have a look at what it would be now, the comparison sites all gave roughly the same price of around £250 - 280.

This would be the first time my premiums have risen since 2019 when I bought the car. If I remember right I paid somewhere round that in 2019.

Hopefully prices will fall before next March.

David Range Rover 4.2 Supercharged 2006
Ford Focus EcoBoost 1.5 2017
MG TF 2003

Previous Cars of note
Land Rover Discovery 2
Jaguar Mk2 3.8 - Company car
MG Midget 1974 - Concours

I’m looking to get my first L322 4.4 tdv8 .
I’m 42 with 18 year NCB and was quoted £600 a year including business use .

For comparison my BMW 740d that’s mapped to 370bhp is £750 a year to insure.
I also have a 110 2008 tdci Defender (currently rebuilding it) that was just over £600 to insure for 5000 miles last year .

I know the later Range Rovers have gone crazy for insurance but I think insurance for anything even remotely prestige is expensive now (the insurance companies know that they can get away with charging stupid premiums).

I use a broker called Norton insurance and they have been very good on all my cars .

Even Trackers are no good these days, the crooks use mobile jammers like this one below, which means the last point of connection with the Tracker monitoring company is the house or premises where the car was stolen, which really does not give the police a lot to go on 😡

https://www.alasartech-security.com/signal...ammer.html

wow, it gets worse.  overfinch modified

I was with Direct line last year at just over £300. They wouldn't quote for this year. Went to Tesco Bank who were coming back on comp sites at £900+. This was reasonably competitive. Went direct the their website and got a year for £583, excellent result.
Why I don't know but still a result. 2017 5.0 Autobiography Supercharged
2005 Merc SL350
2005 Disco HSE 2.7 oil burner

That is a good price V8.  overfinch modified