Definitely reiterate don't be overly scared of milage, Be prepared to change ARB bushes (Prob cheaper than you fear), drop links and stuff like that and the ride will surprise you at v high (200/- + milages).

I always change all the oils, engine, gearbox, transfer, diffs etc when I get a new one so that I know when they were all changed - it may be a placebo but I genuinely think they feel better afterwards.

Check the air suspension works properly and get wheel alignment done if there are any doubts at all - that really can change how one drives - then look away from the fuel pump and go enjoy it, btw I completely agree with your Vogue versus the Sport decision. It's certainly horses for courses but the Vogue is like an S class Mercedes whereas the Sport is like an E class in my mind. You'll feel the difference particularly at the end of a long drive.

Sounds like an L405 is a step too far but whilst many say L322 is a better Range Rover and L405 is a better car - which i understand, a well sorted L405 feels better due to the fact it's lighter and more nimble.

Good luck with the search  2016 (L405) Autobiography in Black with Ivory - for ULEZ
2014 (L405) VSE in Black with Ivory
2011 (L322) VSE in Black with Ivory
2005 (3.2 V6) Porsche Cayenne in Black with Savanna
1999 (P38) VSE in Burgundy (?) with Sand

JayGee wrote:

I'd still steer clear of the 3.6 due to it's weak gearbox.

160dmb wrote:

Definitely reiterate don't be overly scared of milage, Be prepared to change ARB bushes (Prob cheaper than you fear), drop links and stuff like that and the ride will surprise you at v high (200/- + milages).

I always change all the oils, engine, gearbox, transfer, diffs etc when I get a new one so that I know when they were all changed - it may be a placebo but I genuinely think they feel better afterwards.

Check the air suspension works properly and get wheel alignment done if there are any doubts at all - that really can change how one drives - then look away from the fuel pump and go enjoy it, btw I completely agree with your Vogue versus the Sport decision. It's certainly horses for courses but the Vogue is like an S class Mercedes whereas the Sport is like an E class in my mind. You'll feel the difference particularly at the end of a long drive.

Sounds like an L405 is a step too far but whilst many say L322 is a better Range Rover and L405 is a better car - which i understand, a well sorted L405 feels better due to the fact it's lighter and more nimble.

Good luck with the search

Get an L322 then. I missed the boat on a few cars mainly due to their age and my age 🤣 2.8i Capri, Escort RS2000 Mk2, Escort RS Turbo…. You can see from my car history what I did. Get the L405 after…

 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8

Previous cars :
2003 Range Rover Vogue TD6
1999 Discovery Td5 ES
1995 BMW M5 3.8 6 speed
1992 Range Rover 3.9 Efi Vogue
1992 BMW M5 3.8
1988 BMW 735i SE
1989 Ford Sierra XR4x4 2.9i
1981 Ford Fiesta Supersport

https://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic67226.html

This was the ad referred to.
Hope this link works.

If not go to the list of for sale items and its a 2012 tdv8 Westminster

Big thanks everyone!

There's one local to me but it needs some work. Normally wouldn't mind getting hands dirty but life is busy at the moment so could anyone give me a real rough ballpark figure for an Indy specialist to replace

- brake lines / pipes throughout
- this mot advisory "Suspension arm pin or bush worn but not resulting in excessive movement n/s and o/s front lower rear arm bush deteriorated"

@weegie - TC failure seems common enough on the 6speed as the miles go up. The 6 speed may not be inherently 'weak' but it's not as trouble free as the 8speed. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

hogesar wrote:

Big thanks everyone!

There's one local to me but it needs some work. Normally wouldn't mind getting hands dirty but life is busy at the moment so could anyone give me a real rough ballpark figure for an Indy specialist to replace

- brake lines / pipes throughout
- this mot advisory "Suspension arm pin or bush worn but not resulting in excessive movement n/s and o/s front lower rear arm bush deteriorated"

Thanks.

Yeah, travel is expected. I went to look at one today which was local (not the one I mentioned above). Whilst it wasn't terrible, it did have some tailgate rust and had cheap tyres on it - am I wrong to be put off by the tires?

Either way it wasn't the one for me but it did confirm yet again its definitely the next car I want.

Cheap tyres are a sure sign of savings in care and maintenance elswhere IME. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

I've walked away from cars because they've had cheap stuff fitted in the past, especially performance cars. I've also had cars fitted with them that have been absolutely fine. Two schools of thought; the first is that cheaping out on the visible stuff is a good indicator of what they've looked after the invisible stuff like, the second is that the average person really doesn't notice the difference between tyres and thus will happily drive on lesser tyres while still spending money on the 'real' stuff that can impact the longevity of the car like oil. That said, it can also be a good sign that it hasn't had a hard life (possibly)! I still use the example of my old Sprinter that had Kings Tyres remoulds on it. While the risk of them dying prematurely was higher than the likes of Michelin, they performed better than any other tyre I had on that thing in 150k miles. So much so that I replaced the Bridgestone's I put on after the first set of Kings, with another set of Kings. They were great things. Would I also run a mile from an L322 fitted with them vs a £600 208D? Abso-fecking-lutely!

Personally I'd not be too bothered if it was a basic, easy and cheap to fix shopping trolley but with something expensive it would definitely make me look all the harder. If it was clear that money had been spent doing everything that was needed, when or before it was needed, and the car was otherwise well presented then I'd not let it bother me too much even on something complex, albeit I'd budget in some proper stuff to replace them. However, if the overall car was neglected then I'd walk away sharpish. Nothing is absolute on a used car, everything you see is just a clue into its past. Just because a car has premium tyres fitted does not mean it's been well looked after, and so the opposite is true; just because a car has non-premium tyres fitted that does not mean it hasn't been well looked after. That said, there's a world of difference between upper end budget (the likes of Toyo etc) and utter ditch finders like Ling Long. I realise that's not exactly a black and white answer but having bought and sold a lot of cars over the years for people it's the approach I tend to take. Just out of interest, when you say cheap, just how cheap are we talking? And were they new-ish? If they were very recent it could just be that it needed new tyres and they weren't willing to drop £800-1000 for a set of proper Pirelli's or Contis from a normal tyre shop just as they were about to sell it, especially if it's not a £20k example.

All fair points Ennoch.

The tyres were Windforce. Whatever they are. Chinese presumably. The MOT history showed that advisories were always taken care of before the next MOT which was a vague sign of encouragement as opposed to throwing it in and seeing if it failed.

Completely agree with comments above. Cheap Chinese tyres would make me wary but mid range tyres like Falken wouldn't. I think it all helps build an idea if how the vehicle has been cared for. I guess 4 matching budget tyres is better than one replaced and 3 barely legal.
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I've often seen dealers fit cheap tyres and then proclaim that the car is now better value as it has 4 new tyres. First thing I usualy do with a car when I buy it is fit premium tyres. The L322 is the exception as it came with Verde's. I was thinking the other day that if seatbelts or airbags were renewable items would people fit lesser performing replacements to save some ££ 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

So, there's another local one I'm due to go and view tomorrow.

Registered 31 December 2010.

It's done 150k miles which is the current thing off putting me, but it's about 3k less than my budget.

Apparently has no rust in the usual spots (tailgate, inside door, arches etc.

It had an advisory of oil leak in both 2021 and 2022 but that's not present on the 2023 MOT, which wasn't done by the dealer who is selling it...

It has new-ish looking Kuhmo tyres all the way around (I'm not good with tyres, are these the cheapest ones?)

2022 MOT (about 5k miles ago) also saw Near and Offside front lower suspension arms replaced.

Also apparently had inlet manifolds replaced.

Should I be concerned about the mileage or focus on the condition of this particular one? The price is cheaper than anything else and from the pictures, the interior looks good...

I've tried to attach a few photos. The wood trim colour isn't for me, I'm guessing thats replaceable or at worst, wrappable to piano black?