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Gremlin500 Member Since: 11 Mar 2022 Location: Newcastle, UK Posts: 1296 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Bill Member Since: 18 Nov 2017 Location: Essex / Normandy Posts: 1202 ![]() ![]() |
Gas , above my pay grade. EA did cover the subject a while back. As mentioned before I was surprised the new smell you get in a car is not so good for you. I used to deal with fish, histamine was monitored closely and improved significantly to a point that it was negligible, through better handling of the fish, However there were a load of other chemical in the same group of “mines’ xmine, ymine zmine, they were never ever tested , nor had any limits. We only know so much in this debate. I do believe that stopping ICE production will also stop R&D shortly and therefore improvements on all potential improvements from health, to the planet to fuel economy. I assume some manufacturers commitment to all electric may have something to do with complying with euro 7, which surely has to be the last fence before production ceases. Filters are in fact so good that in certain circumstances, when the ambient air is already polluted, a diesel car will tend to extract more particles from the air than it emits. Emissions Analytics worked with........etc etc He who dies with the most toys wins... |
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Ramblin Man Member Since: 05 Apr 2022 Location: Southsea Posts: 261 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
So, some while ago I asked the same question at work. I had an office colleague at the time whose wife was a “green consultant” they were into EV’s and were trying out a Tesla. At that time ( circa 2019 ) it turned out that EV batteries can’t yet be recycled as when the internal cells are exposed to air/oxygen they catch fire…. and further become very difficult to put out. In one’s and two’s this is a solvable problem; but if you’re trying to recycle 1000’s of batteries at scale the fire risk is so high it makes the process uneconomic. Now, the green enthusiasts will respond along the lines of “when an EV battery reaches end of life in a car you simply reuse it as energy storage for solar systems in the home as the charge/demand cycle is different and so the battery can be reused.” It seems to me that there are two issues with this; 1.) The failure pattern of large Li batteries tends to be at the level of the individual internal cell. Once a few cells have broken down internally the whole unit is comprised. So there’s a need to replaced the damaged internal cells to extend the battery life and then you’re back to the potential fire problem again. 2.) At some point the whole unit will become untenable and then you‘re simply left with a toxic fire risk that is very difficult to recycle. Quite frankly I was astounded that the EV manufacturers had designed and put into production at scale EV’s without seemingly to have thought through how battery recycling would be viable. It seems to me analogous to the overlooking of the diesel particulate issue by the manufacturers 20 years earlier. My colleague did say that VW were researching an “inert gas” production line recycling approach although I do not know if it has progressed into production. ( see: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ljJdmsCjFuc&...I39hU9krNU ) If I rembember correctly, in 2019, there was a specialist company in the US that was providing inert gas warehousing facilities to manufacturers for used EV batteries as there was no easy way to store lots of them without a significant fire risk. I guess the situation may have moved on by now. There’s mention of a U.K. research project called ReLib here : https://li-cycle.com/news/amazon-panasonic...e-tsunami/ Personally, I concluded that because of the battery recycling issue EV’s we’re not a viable long term prospect. I prefer to own vehicles rather than lease them. Even so, I would only ever consider leasing an EV so that it would be someone else’s problem at the end of the term. I would never consider buying a second hand EV; if the battery fails you’ve got a many thousands of £ problem on your hands. I don’t even know if you can tell what the battery condition is if you were to buy one second hand. Net-Net; I bought my self a late 4.4 TDV8 fatty with a low milage and a good history and I plan to be buried in it in around 30 years time ! TDV8 4.4 2012 |
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Gremlin500 Member Since: 11 Mar 2022 Location: Newcastle, UK Posts: 1296 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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SamThomas Member Since: 12 Nov 2021 Location: South East Posts: 293 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Sometimes, when I look at the big picture I wonder how effective, percentage wise our efforts via ULEZ & so on really are when you add into the mix war, fires, volcanoes & so on.
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cass Member Since: 12 Oct 2011 Location: northumberland Posts: 711 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Good point about looking at the big picture, it's easy to get hung up on what comes out of a car exhaust but it 's irrelevant if you consider that if the whole of the UK got nuked tomorrow and ceased to exist then the reduction of CO2 annually would be slightly less than the amount that China INCREASES every year. |
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Bill Member Since: 18 Nov 2017 Location: Essex / Normandy Posts: 1202 ![]() ![]() |
Reported today . The Times.
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Gremlin500 Member Since: 11 Mar 2022 Location: Newcastle, UK Posts: 1296 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
@Bill:
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Bill Member Since: 18 Nov 2017 Location: Essex / Normandy Posts: 1202 ![]() ![]() |
Emmissions analytics have another press release today, it’s on their web site.
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dingg1 Member Since: 29 Jun 2013 Location: PORTUGAL Posts: 1312 ![]() ![]() |
Bill
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Bill Member Since: 18 Nov 2017 Location: Essex / Normandy Posts: 1202 ![]() ![]() |
Dingg1
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