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MND



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United Kingdom 2010 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Zermatt Silver
Fuel shows empty, car cuts out.

Hi all,
This is my first post on the forum, but I fear it won't be the last. TDV8 4.4 Vogue . A couple of days ago, suddenly the fuel gauge showed empty, even though the tank was 3/4 full. I was driving at the time & all seemed well. The next day I had to drive 80 miles & again the car ran fine. On the return journey after 30 miles on the motorway it started to judder, then cut out. It restarted on the hard shoulder but it would only crawl for a few hundred yards before cutting out again. I eventually made it to a service area & called out the RAC. The RAC bloke plugged into the OBD & it said low fuel level/forced engine shut down. Finally got it home on a flatbed. When running the engine has a very lumpy idle.
Any ideas would be most appreciated.

Post #654968 28th Jan 2023 3:13pm
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cass



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It will probably be poor connections on the sender unit inside the Fuel tank - lots of us on here have suffered from it
There's lots of info on how to fix it on here and I think there was a TSB on it somewhere

Post #654971 28th Jan 2023 3:31pm
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MND



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United Kingdom 2010 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Zermatt Silver

I did find lots of info. in the electrics section, but no one seems to have a problem with the engine cutting out.

Post #654973 28th Jan 2023 3:42pm
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mjdronfield



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The engine will be shut down automatically if the ECU detects no fuel, so whilst I’m no expert, I’d hope that sorted itself once you got the gauge to read correctly.

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2003 Range Rover Vogue TD6
1999 Discovery Td5 ES
1995 BMW M5 3.8 6 speed
1992 Range Rover 3.9 Efi Vogue
1992 BMW M5 3.8
1988 BMW 735i SE
1989 Ford Sierra XR4x4 2.9i
1981 Ford Fiesta Supersport

Post #654976 28th Jan 2023 3:48pm
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MikeO



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Depends on the MY I think. Or perhaps 3.6 vs 4.4. My 3.6 seemed to be fine until I fixed the dodgy connections but I've seen others post about the engine cutting out.

It's not a difficult job but it is a bit messy and best done when the fuel level is low. 2016 Skoda Octavia VRS Estate
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<gone>2009 D3 HSE Galway Green</gone>

Post #654981 28th Jan 2023 4:18pm
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MikeO



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I also recall someone posting a temporary fix by fitting a variable resistor across the connector on the top of the tank. Worth a search. 2016 Skoda Octavia VRS Estate
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<gone>2009 D3 HSE Galway Green</gone>

Post #654982 28th Jan 2023 4:19pm
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Jayk69



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Yup i had this on my 4.4TDV8 if fuel gauge says no fuel then engine will cut out and the pumps will stop pumping to save themselves from burning out as the diesel is the lubricant too.
followed a guide to re-do the wiring and bingo fuel gauge bursts back into life and the car goes back to normal. Mine was done a couple of years ago now. 2012 Vogue 4.4 TDV8 - Current
2014 Navara V6 - Gone
2004 Vogue TD6 - Gone
Grand Cherokee - Gone
Discovery V8 (LPG) - Gone
Discovery TD5 - Gone

Post #654983 28th Jan 2023 4:24pm
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MND



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United Kingdom 2010 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Zermatt Silver

Thanks for all your helpful replies. Unfortunately the tank is almost full, but I'll try going over the wiring in the next few days & report back.

Post #654997 28th Jan 2023 7:01pm
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mjdronfield



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Yes, but if the gauge says it’s not, the car will believe the gauge…..

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2003 Range Rover Vogue TD6
1999 Discovery Td5 ES
1995 BMW M5 3.8 6 speed
1992 Range Rover 3.9 Efi Vogue
1992 BMW M5 3.8
1988 BMW 735i SE
1989 Ford Sierra XR4x4 2.9i
1981 Ford Fiesta Supersport

Post #655001 28th Jan 2023 7:22pm
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As MJDronfield has said, the fuel measurement is what the ECM takes as gospel - including the forced misfire (known as 'driver inducement') before shutdown to prevent damage to the fuel system. Unfortunately if the tank is full, you're probably going to get your arms wet...

If the wiring to the sensors was open or short circuit, it would be recognised as such and disregarded by the ECM, yours seems to be reading incorrectly which may be a voltage or ground issue rather than a bad connection.

Post #655006 28th Jan 2023 7:32pm
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Jayk69



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reading the comments after mine just to add mine did read a level i used to get 1/4 tank on fuel gauge when tank was full!! 2012 Vogue 4.4 TDV8 - Current
2014 Navara V6 - Gone
2004 Vogue TD6 - Gone
Grand Cherokee - Gone
Discovery V8 (LPG) - Gone
Discovery TD5 - Gone

Post #655126 30th Jan 2023 10:53am
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MND



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United Kingdom 2010 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Zermatt Silver

Finally found time to take a look at the problem. I disconnected the black connector block , blue & black wires,& sprayed the contacts with Servisol but to no avail. Next I chopped out the connector & soldered the wires together & shrink tubed them. Bingo! All was well with the world, & I didn't thankfully have to drain the tank which was full.
Thanks to all for your help, & now on to the drivers heated seat which works as & when it feels like it.

Post #655569 4th Feb 2023 11:36am
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mjdronfield



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Nice one. At least you can drive it now.

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2003 Range Rover Vogue TD6
1999 Discovery Td5 ES
1995 BMW M5 3.8 6 speed
1992 Range Rover 3.9 Efi Vogue
1992 BMW M5 3.8
1988 BMW 735i SE
1989 Ford Sierra XR4x4 2.9i
1981 Ford Fiesta Supersport

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briangunn



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United Kingdom 2010 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Buckingham Blue

Lucky, as taking out the in-tank sender unit connectors is a bloody messy job and not one I want to repeat ever ever again. I did mine in January, with 2/3 of a tank full - the diesel was f***ing freezing on the arms.

Post #655863 6th Feb 2023 8:18pm
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MND



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United Kingdom 2010 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Zermatt Silver

Yes, I have to say I was very surprised when it worked. I was getting ready to pump out the tank. What really pi**ed me off, apart from having to wait for nearly five hours for the bloody RAC to get their act together & get me a tow truck, is Land Rover using a completely unnecessary crappy little connector, when they went to the trouble of building in a protection for the pump running dry.

Post #655917 7th Feb 2023 12:23pm
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