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Jamesonfox Member Since: 06 Sep 2022 Location: Wales Posts: 22 |
So to summarise is it most likely a head off, replace valves sort of job? What causes the valves to fail?
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25th Oct 2022 10:51am |
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GraemeS Member Since: 06 Mar 2015 Location: Wagga area Posts: 2475 |
I think that you're getting ahead of yourself. Something seems amiss with a valve, perhaps stuck open and perhaps the head will have to be removed but there's no reason to suspect that there is an issue with all valves. A damaged piston is a possibility if an injector has been leaking for a considerable time but perhaps there's just a damaged valve rocker too. |
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25th Oct 2022 11:13am |
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Phoenix Member Since: 16 May 2022 Location: Gone Posts: 1631 |
As above, it doesn't have to be 'all-or-nothing' to diagnose & fix, I'd suspect premature wear but it doesn't have to be a 'head-off' job to determine the cause nor necessarily to fix it.
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25th Oct 2022 11:47am |
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jagracer Member Since: 14 Aug 2021 Location: Norfolk Posts: 113 |
Have you got a stuck, or mal-functioning EGR valve? They can fail, I have one not operating on Bank 2 on mine to have a look at. |
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25th Oct 2022 4:05pm |
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Phoenix Member Since: 16 May 2022 Location: Gone Posts: 1631 |
That wouldn't cause compression to be down on one cylinder (Cyl 6, posted above). |
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25th Oct 2022 4:14pm |
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jagracer Member Since: 14 Aug 2021 Location: Norfolk Posts: 113 |
You are right if it is indeed a stuck or headless valve. It also not unknown for EGR valves seize and also leak fluids into the intake as well. If it were me I would have the heads off. One has to start somewhere, and proving the mechanical integrety of the engine is usually a good start. THe shear cost is the problem of course, as it can force one to scrap a vehicle these days due to few people also having the skills to do the job. I used to be keen on Jaguar V12 engines, but current costs of over £3000 for a set of pistons and liners, plus the agro of getting corroded heads off the studs is the reason very few people will tackle engines these days. Findin broken piston rings for instance would then mean a total strip down as the oilways will need cleaning out. |
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25th Oct 2022 5:38pm |
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Phoenix Member Since: 16 May 2022 Location: Gone Posts: 1631 |
If I tried that 'brute force' diagnosis on engine running issues as a first step, I'd soon be out of a job.
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25th Oct 2022 5:49pm |
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GraemeS Member Since: 06 Mar 2015 Location: Wagga area Posts: 2475 |
If your nominated vehicle is correct then you need to learn a little more about your engine's EGR system before you start. |
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25th Oct 2022 7:44pm |
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Jamesonfox Member Since: 06 Sep 2022 Location: Wales Posts: 22 |
Rudimentary leak down on cyl6 complete. Test results: 1. Air leaking out the exhaust, presumably via outlet valve/s. 2. No air leaking into the inlet, crankcase or coolant jacket. What should be my next steps without a rocker cover alignment tool and timing tool kit…? |
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27th Oct 2022 12:18pm |
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GraemeS Member Since: 06 Mar 2015 Location: Wagga area Posts: 2475 |
How far would you go yourself if the head has to be removed to replace a possibly burnt valve? If you remove the inlet manifold but need a workshop to R&R the head, would you refit the manifold and other parts to make it driveable? If a valve is burnt then it could be due to a leaking exhaust manifold gasket so the manifold may have to be machined, although that would only be a minor extra amount of work. |
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27th Oct 2022 8:02pm |
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Phoenix Member Since: 16 May 2022 Location: Gone Posts: 1631 |
Personally I wouldn't commit to removing the head until I'd had a good look at the valve gear - and only then with a firm plan to put everything right (source of replacement valve(s) seats, gaskets and tool hire of alignment and 'special' tools) If the valve gear is OK, then I'd be smoke-testing to check for exhaust manifold leakage as you may well need additional parts or engineering services to correct.
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27th Oct 2022 9:17pm |
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GraemeS Member Since: 06 Mar 2015 Location: Wagga area Posts: 2475 |
A tool is supposedly needed to align a 3.6 inlet manifold but there was no need for such a tool when my brother replaced an inlet manifold on the 3.6 in his L320. |
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27th Oct 2022 9:50pm |
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Phoenix Member Since: 16 May 2022 Location: Gone Posts: 1631 |
Quite often, the 'special tools' can be replicated from stuff lying around once you know what it does - the one you mention is effectively just a bolt with an over-sized shoulder, easily fabricated from one of the old manifold bolts. It's purpose is to centre the manifold over the tapped holes to prevent the anti-crush spacers from damaging the gasket, once you know that, it's an easy task to either make one up or just take a bit of care fitting the manifold fixings.
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28th Oct 2022 6:25am |
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