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mxpUz6Q



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Front driveshaft loosing grease due to loose bolts

Hi,

my name's Michael and for about a month now I own a 2012 4.4 TDV8. I'm from Germany and am otherwise driving a 110 Land Rover and some Audis on which I try to do most work myself.

I got the L322 mainly for towing and have done a basic service on it and replaced the rear dampers because they showed a peculiar combination of wear patterns causing a number of problems (squeaking, rattling, adaptive dynamics fault plus being way too soft, i.e. worn out). I can do a separate post about that if there's interest.

Another thing I noticed looking it over though is a spatter of what seems to be grease (or very thick and dark oil) on the underbody near the transfer case which looks like it originates from the flange of the front driveshaft.




Today I managed to get it on a ramp and look at it more closely. It turned out all six bolts were loose, about hand tight. From the marks I suspect someone's had the driveshaft out and didn't tighten the bolts properly.

Due to lack of time I just tightened them up to about 65nm for now and have new ones on the way to replace and torque up properly (RAVE says 45nm plus 90 degrees, i.e. single-use stretch bolts I assume). At that point I'd like to separate the flanges and take a peek what's going on inside.

In the meantime I'm wondering:

1. Where does the grease or oil come from? Shouldn't both transfer case and driveshaft be sealed units, at least regarding those flanges?

2. Is tightening those bolts likely to stop the fluid loss or do I have a bigger problem? Neither RAVE nor parts catalogue mention a seal there so I'm somewhat pessimistic.

3. If it's grease or oil from the drive shaft, could that leakage shorten its life and is it serviceable, i.e. can it be re-greased/-oiled?

I think it unlikely that the fluid coming from the transfer case since I changed its oil and it was still full before the change, a totally different colour and of course a lot thinner than the spattered stuff. Also, there's no weepage of any oils or other fuilds anywhere in the vincinity, gearbox and transfer box are totally dry.

Thanks in advance for any advice what I'm looking at here.

Thanks,
Michael

Post #645033 7th Oct 2022 7:06pm
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fisha



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It looks like CV joint grease, or something similar. I know from experience on the freelander and evoque, that the end of the propshaft can be very difficult to seperate from the face of the transfer case or diff as they can bind surfaces together. Its why in the workshop manuals they suggest you use a bolt inserted from the wrong side to drive the surfaces apart.

It wouldn't surprise me if the previous mechanic has slapped a load of grease in between to prevent them binding again, and forgot to, or didn't tighten enough the bolts when refitted.

I would tighten up the bolts, clean it all up and see if more appears.

If it does, then potentially, it could come from within the prop joint itself which I think is a CV joint, but something would beed to be pretty wrong for it to have leaked, or damaged badly by the mechanic. V8 or else ...

Post #645034 7th Oct 2022 7:18pm
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Hi fisha,

thanks for the advice. Today I set to work digging a bit deeper. I took out the old bolts and separated the drive shaft from the transfer case. Both mating faces were clean (and less heavly splined than I expected). So no grease was intentionaly put there.




The drive shaft has something like a dust cover or metallic CV boot behind the flange where the grease appears to be coming from. I may have been able to separate them to try and add some more grease back but wriggling it felt spungy so I think that quite a bit of grease is left in there. So I bolted everything back up with the new bolts, cleaned the surroundings and would leave it at that for now unless someone with more experience disagrees.


video: https://www.dinsnail.net/~michael/wriggle.mp4

Even before I started, it didn't look as if any new grease had made its way out since I tightened those bolts earlier. Also, if there is grease under that dust cover by design it would only make sense to be designed to seal up as soon as the bolts are tightened.

The workshop manual writes: "A small amount of oil may weep from the driveshaft joints during storage. The loss of this oil will not affect the operation or durability of the joint.". I now wonder if they actually mean the grease.

Thanks,
Michael

Post #645627 14th Oct 2022 7:09pm
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To (hopefully) wrap this up and give some feedback before I forget: This weekend (while changing the rear toe links Rolling Eyes ) I had opportunity to check the drive shaft flange and as hoped no new grease had made its way out since I changed and tightened the bolts. Thanks everyone!

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Great news Michael. Glad you got it sorted Thumbs Up Kev

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Post #648089 14th Nov 2022 9:39pm
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