That’s a lot. I notice the current Sport/Velar ‘e’ models are c.£5-7k more than the equivalent D300.

It all comes down to rate of depreciation in the end rather than price. Will have to wait and compare their PCP residuals to see if it’s worth spending the extra for a PHEV. MY23 D350 HSE
On my 7th RR plus various other JLR vehicles

I doubt they'll be much in it, higher purchase price but stronger residual

you're absolutely right, I would not purchase or even lease an ICE car in 2022, maybe a hybrid. but definitely an all EV indeed. l=Oo\________/oO=l l:OolΞΞΞΞΞΞΞloO:l

Current
RANGE ROVER Vogue 4.4L SDV8 - 2013 - Indus Silver, on Almond.
RANGE ROVER Vogue 4.4L V8 - 2002 - ex-2003 G4 Challenge Event Vehicle, Stage 3: Australia
RANGE ROVER HSE 4.4L V8 - 2004 - one-of-one Overfinch
RANGE ROVER P38a 4.0L V8 - 1999 - ex-2000 TReK Event Vehicle: South Africa

Previous:
RANGE ROVER Vogue 4.4L TDV8 - 2012 - RANGE ROVER 3.6L TDV8 x3 - RANGE ROVER Td6 x1 - RANGE ROVER Classic 3.5L V8 x1

My initial reactions haven't been favourable however having watched some of the review vids flooding onto YouTube, it is growing on me.
I think the actual images/videos are more complimentary than the official retouched/renders.

Likes:
- The 'shoulder' line where it protrudes Volvo style outwards from the side windows an inch or so.
- Most of the interior except the tablet screen
- Integrated event seating, such a simple idea
- Vertical tail lights (but not the strip)
- Overall body shape - I think it will handle a 10-year cycle
- Technical stuff, RWS and decoupling front axle
- SV wheels with the copper accent
- 7 Seat option (about time)
- LWB model retains a balanced overall look, unlike the 405
- Grey or darker colours working much better for me because the horizontal rear strip will disappear like those black pillars on an XJ351

Hate:
- Door vent WTH was Gerry thinking
- Tablet screen, not good and the front dash, whilst nicely trimmed is unremarkable
(same as 405 i.e. unremarkable but not 322 front dash is a design icon)
- Lettering size on rear too big, take it down a few point sizes
- Black trim strip above lettering sits on
- Front end, just bland
- Slit rear sidelights. I understand a requirement in some markets but why not integrate them into the side 'V' crease. Big miss there
- Some of the wheels look super cheap
- Concealed rear indicators are interesting but badly executed within the space of the strip.
(Curious about regs because I though all rear lights can't be on a moving panel in most markets)
- Matt paint finishes; a trend which'll date quickly, no need to stoop to gimmicks IMO

Really can't decide:
-Steering wheel it kinda should look good, the individual elements are lovely but somehow doesn't come together and looks out of place

I think the third refresh so like 2026 it will start to work better mainly due to the nose treatment.

With these evolutionary design changes, and it's a similar pattern with many all-new car designs, they start to dovetail the old and new designs so the run out model gets treatments nearer the new model. And the incoming models are almost throttled back to keep some familiarity. I guess this is an anti-alienating strategy.

The Revolutionary design of the L322 kept some fundamental design codes eg clam shape and turreted bonnet, floating roof etc but trailblazer into new areas, making new traditions, new design codes eg front wing gills. I don't think the 405 introduced any iconic new Range Rover design codes.

When I first saw a 322 it went on the bucket list that same moment. It's because it was revolutionary and, owning a last update 2011 I think the design nicely matured and over it's cycle. 405's are nice/fine but I'm just not drawn emotionally to the design. Oddly in IMO it was a trying to revolutionise but it didn't and I don't think think it was a strong evolution either despite retaining hallmark features.

Ground breaking design takes a guiding, unrelenting vision. Steve Jobs' iPhone was his baby and his vision ensured it was a revolutionary product.

But we're here to talk about the 460. It's got more design style than the 405. The Range Rover business is good and as a business, the design is led by focus groups because so brevity takes a back seat because the stakes are too high and they've gone with evolutionary for safety.

What's also holding back design revolution for LR, aside of the high stakes, are the Evoque-onwards design thematics (ie. Gerry) which are, on the whole and in my opinion trying too hard eg 405 swept back headlights and tail lights. Or the 405 door vent. It makes no sense on the door. I know why the put it there, it would have look too far forward on the wing, but it's just awkward. As is the silver strip running from the door vent. They only look good when you make them disappear into body colour.

I do think the 460 is a strong evolution but the designers need time with it, which is pretty normal. Once in a while though, designs are visionary enough to revolutionise and those don't come along too often no matter the brand. I think the 322 was one of those rare revolutionary designs that was both a design icon on release and also matured extremely well.

I'll wind up soon but if I could time-travel I'd be fascinated to hear what die hard RR Classic and P38 owners thought about the L322 on release. Did they rubbish it? Not sure. But as far as the 460 goes, there's more negative comments on this thread than positive. And for me it didn't take me immediately like the 322 did.

Only time will tell future 460 owners. it's an expensive club to join so all the best whatever colour you choose. if anyone could PM me coming Friday's EuroMillions numbers, I'll see you at Guy Salmon.

And I'd park a 460 next to my 322.

. Cheers, Greg
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Greg,
I am in the “die hard “ club, particularly for Classic design, but I bought a P38 almost at the end of production, when all the rumours were starting in the magazine’s (no internet) that the new model L322 would soon be released.
Granted, my decision to buy was influenced very heavily by the huge discount my local dealer was offering to clear his stock by the end of December 1999, and the trade in deal he offered me.,

I was invited to their “official L322 launch event” and as soon as I saw the L322 I knew that it was a winner and that I would eventually trade up from P38 to L322.

I have never had that “urge” to trade up to a L405, even now I could afford to look for a 2017/18 model ,but still think it doesn’t compare to the L322 magic.

My only driver to eventually jump up to an L405 will be Euro5 cars being taxed off the roads eventually.

Mike. G reg 2.5VM Vogue Portofino red 1991- 1999
V reg 2.5td P38 Rioja red 1999- 2006
53 reg td6 Vogue Oslo blue 2006- 2015
11 reg 4.4 TdV8 Vogue SE. Baltic blue 2015- date.
https://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic56162...tty+affair

The worst thing they have done is do away with "Vogue" as a model. No sense of history these youngsters!!  All LR cars from 1984
2021.5 Vogue SE D300 Carpathian Grey
2018 Vogue SE British Racing Green GONE

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Y. O. L. O.
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I played with the configurator last night & selecting an SE or HSE just doesn't seem right.....

Eirik34 wrote:

But, if the unladen weight is 2500+ kg for the petrol or diesel engine MHEV versions, what will the unladen weight be on the PHEV versions with the additional 38kWh li-ion battery on board?

Maybe they’ve dropped it to stop people calling the whole range the ‘Vogue’. It brings it into line with the rest of the range and helps justify the price increase (which I think is fair based on the spec increases) because as it starts with SE rather than S. MY23 Panamera E-Hybrid
MY19 SDV8 Autobiography - Sold

Alistair wrote:

I played with the configurator last night & selecting an SE or HSE just doesn't seem right.....

I thought that, but felt better when I selected Autobiography!  MY23 Panamera E-Hybrid
MY19 SDV8 Autobiography - Sold

aja500 wrote:

No, but one of the reviews I saw yesterday (either Carfection, Harry's Garage or Carwow, can't remember which), suggested a possible £15k premium for the PHEV!!!

Order placed. Carpathian grey Autobiography, blackpack, ivory interior, black 23" wheels.....
Once the P510e is out, I will swap into one of those.
This car is stunning, they actually have managed to improve on the best car in the world.

Nice one.

Have you been quoted a delivery date?

My dealer is being a bit cagey at the moment.

March/April