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Martin2

Member Since: 15 Jun 2020
Location: Northamptonshire
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KurtVerbose wrote:
It's because in China, the U.S. and the Middle East, big chrome grills are a sign of wealth. The bigger and shinier the better.

BMW design chief Adrian van Hooydonk on the 7 series.

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The 7 has always been the hardest to bring the expectations of the entire world into one shape. The customers are very, very different in China, the U.S., the Middle East and in Europe.

In Europe, people don't want to get noticed. They don't like being asked what they paid for a car and they like things in black like a stealth mode. ... The rest of the world is the opposite. We tried to give the Europeans what they want as well, but the strongest market for the 7 is not Europe.

Seems this look is progressing across the range. Ghastly.

That’s right, but surely the ugliness is going to effect sales to the level where it would make financial sense to have a toned down front bumper for European markets? MY23 Panamera E-Hybrid
MY19 SDV8 Autobiography - Sold

7th Jan 2021 11:49am

coopss

Member Since: 21 Apr 2018
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 281

Thought these grills were horrendous when I first saw them however on the new M3 it almost works. Probably because it’s black and blends in.

Massive Bmw fan up until the last couple years. Had e90 v8 m3 saloon, e39 m5, e46 m3, 3 E30 tourings, X5 4.8is, X5 40d etc.

They’re too image conscious now. Watch the m3/4 launch video with the head of Bmw M and a designer - bloody cringeworthy 1995 4.6 v8, green/tan (long gone)
2005 4.8iS X5, blue/black
2011 4.4 tdv8, black/black (gone)
2003 3.0d X5, Oxford green/black/manual
2021 p575 SVR, BR green/vintage tan

7th Jan 2021 1:28pm

marsie

Member Since: 30 Apr 2010
Location: sheffield
Posts: 916

2014 Range Rover Vogue SE SDV8 Loire Blue

Had a X5 40d a few years ago and it was a great car but the new bmws are horrific looking things.

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Paul

2014 Range Rover vogue se 4.4sdv8 Loire Blue
1992 Range Rover Vogue LSE 4.2 Ardennes green

14th Aug 2021 3:27pm

Merchy

Member Since: 14 Feb 2021
Location: North Wales
Posts: 1192

2006 Range Rover Vogue Td6 Zermatt Silver

Just came in for a cuppa whilst working on the fatty and saw that Beamer - just when I thought things were going well............. Now it's back to see nursey again

14th Aug 2021 3:45pm

Cam-Tech-Craig

Member Since: 03 Aug 2011
Location: Gloucestershire
Posts: 16288

2015 Range Rover SVAutobiography SDV8 Loire Blue

Me no likey!

14th Aug 2021 11:38pm

Ffrr-lover

Member Since: 04 May 2021
Location: Lincolnshire
Posts: 640

2012 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 V8 Santorini Black

It’ll grow on us all, you watch!
The majority hated Bangles e60 5 series when it first came out, but as the sportier trim models appeared they became lovely cars! As mentioned before, as we see more of them they’ll become the norm.

One of my favourite cars was my ‘07 535d Currently driving: 2012 L322 SE Overfinch 4.4 tdv8

Past rides:
2014 Audi Q7 3.0d (good riddance)
2010 L322 Autobiography 5.0 Supercharged
2011 L320 HSE 3.0 sdv6
2014 Jaguar XF-RS 5.0 supercharged
2007 BMW 535D
2005 Mini Cooper S

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15th Aug 2021 7:39am

coopss

Member Since: 21 Apr 2018
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 281

Agreed - e61 in spot guise is a fantastic looking thing 1995 4.6 v8, green/tan (long gone)
2005 4.8iS X5, blue/black
2011 4.4 tdv8, black/black (gone)
2003 3.0d X5, Oxford green/black/manual
2021 p575 SVR, BR green/vintage tan

15th Aug 2021 8:36am

Red Merle

Member Since: 19 Sep 2016
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 2158

2017 Range Rover Autobiography SDV8 Aintree Green

Ffrr-lover wrote:
It’ll grow on us all, you watch!
The majority hated Bangles e60 5 series when it first came out, but as the sportier trim models appeared they became lovely cars! As mentioned before, as we see more of them they’ll become the norm.

One of my favourite cars was my ‘07 535d

Good design should never need to “grow on” us.

Sure, the shock of the e60 and the rest of Bangle’s talentless designs have waned over time, but they are still almost entirely awful.

BMW had been doing a good job of redeeming themselves since getting rid of him, but the current generation only makes sense in that they are meant to appeal to a completely different market to the UK and Europe.

16th Aug 2021 7:28pm

coopss

Member Since: 21 Apr 2018
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 281

E61 is a nicer looking car today than the f11 that followed it which looks so bland

But yep, newer models are designed for the apac market, specifically China 1995 4.6 v8, green/tan (long gone)
2005 4.8iS X5, blue/black
2011 4.4 tdv8, black/black (gone)
2003 3.0d X5, Oxford green/black/manual
2021 p575 SVR, BR green/vintage tan

16th Aug 2021 11:23pm

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