Philip wrote:

Trying to judge tyre performance subjectively is a complete waste of time - “I fitted DingDong Ripsnorters, they’re great and I’ve never had a crash”. Like people saying, eg, AT3s are great in the wet, when the test numbers tell a very different story.

I had to look that up...

cass wrote:

As a general rule I never buy the cheapest or most expensive anything. For the cost of a set of "top end" tyres I can get a set of perfectly acceptable "budget" winter tyres and summer tyres, nobody will ever convince me that the "best" summer tyres are as good in the winter as the "worst" winter tyres (and vice versa).
My point is that there are no "bad" tyres just loads of "wrong" tyres, seems simple to me fit the tyres that most suit the conditions that you expect regardless of cost, slow down when conditions aren't what you expect and accept that unless you're called Lewis Hamilton you are nowhere near as skillful a driver as you think you are.

Sound about right.
I hear L Hamilton is starting to wear his knees out...

RRover - your ‘bat flu’ comments are becoming somewhat tiresome.
This is a thread about tyres and nothing to do with your apparent obsession with conspiracy theories. If you aren’t able to follow the topic without peddling your nonsense, perhaps you should post elsewhere.
And yes, I have known people who have died as a result of COVID and find your comments both offensive and deliberately provocative. 2017 Jaguar F Pace 25t Portfolio - still part of the JLR family 😀
2009 3.6 V8 (MY2010) - my first ever diesel! - now also gone
2004 4.4 V8 Petrol Vogue - now gone

Not relevant to Range Rovers, but see how budget tyres fair against more expensive brands in the 2021 Auto Bild 19 inch Summer Tyre Test:
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2021-A...e-Test.htm

If you shop around, you can get some really good deals on premium tyres on Ebay.

These were offered to me at £107 each, Recent DOT too if I recall

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223280283971?ul_noapp=true

LT wrote:

Not relevant to Range Rovers, but see how budget tyres fair against more expensive brands in the 2021 Auto Bild 19 inch Summer Tyre Test:
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2021-A...e-Test.htm

its just another load of bolllocks sponsored by the well known and grossly-inflated-hi cost manufactures.

the requirements to stop quickly in the dry and stop quickly in the wet, place almost diametrically opposed requirements on the tyre design. apart from the balance the manufacturer strikes for that consideration the differences between tyres and brands are tiny. Tyres are a commodity.

if anyone has any evidence to show otherwise (apart from silly reviews), please post it up.

Ur20v – could you tell us how you determined that “ the common tyres that ‘work’ are Michelin, Goodyear, Continental, Pirelli as ‘first tier’ then Falken, Bridgestone and Toyo then the rest follow”
Whatever you mean by the term “first tier” is uncertain but you seem to have grouped the most expensive brands there? 2010 VSE [Roger]

Seriously? That’s an objective, figured test and it’s pretty obvious where the cheapo stuff ranks in terms of performance. Different requirements obviously mean different compromises, but I’m not sure how that’s relevant in a comparison of tyres all designed to do the same thing.

objective? - what car are the tyres tested on? will the results be the same for another car type? how wet is the road? what types of tarmac? etc etc et c

there are dozens of less expensive brands which are not mentioned (so obv not tested) so how can you seriously conclude that whatever tyres are rated highest for any given category are better than other cheaper brands not in the list - its a bit silly. 2010 VSE [Roger]

So it must be complete coincidence that the Pilot Sport 4 has cleaned up in most recent high-performance summer tire tests, then. Or maybe Michelin just bribe better? Either way, I’m sure you’ll be just fine on your Umbongos.

Wow - it continues to amaze me the length some people go to to defend crap tyres

Why bother with a FFRR ? Surely cars are just a commodity.

A full back to back test of all tyres on all cars is clearly impossible. However, there are tyres that perform consistently well and others that perform consistently badly and many others in between. I've taken the time to read and watch many reviews and it is always the 'premium' brands that come out top and always the cheaper ones that prefer worse. Sure, the middle of the field can be mixed and no one tyre usually sweeps the board & performs best in every condition, but the themes are consistent.

I run different summer & winter tyres - the difference is very noticeable No amateur pundit can ever really know - as you just can't perform an objective back to back test in identical conditions - but try watching some of the Tyre Reviews videos on You Tube to see the lengths they go to.

Most tyres are fine 90%+ of the time - the difference is very much art the margins - but you only need that 10m reduction in braking distance once and if can be the difference between life & death.....

chris_read wrote:

RRover - your ‘bat flu’ comments are becoming somewhat tiresome.
This is a thread about tyres and nothing to do with your apparent obsession with conspiracy theories. If you aren’t able to follow the topic without peddling your nonsense, perhaps you should post elsewhere.
And yes, I have known people who have died as a result of COVID and find your comments both offensive and deliberately provocative.

TeeMyob wrote:

If you shop around, you can get some really good deals on premium tyres on Ebay.

These were offered to me at £107 each, Recent DOT too if I recall

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223280283971?ul_noapp=true

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LT wrote:

Not relevant to Range Rovers, but see how budget tyres fair against more expensive brands in the 2021 Auto Bild 19 inch Summer Tyre Test:
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2021-A...e-Test.htm

its just another load of bolllocks sponsored by the well known and grossly-inflated-hi cost manufactures.

the requirements to stop quickly in the dry and stop quickly in the wet, place almost diametrically opposed requirements on the tyre design. apart from the balance the manufacturer strikes for that consideration the differences between tyres and brands are tiny. Tyres are a commodity.

if anyone has any evidence to show otherwise (apart from silly reviews), please post it up.

Ur20v – could you tell us how you determined that “ the common tyres that ‘work’ are Michelin, Goodyear, Continental, Pirelli as ‘first tier’ then Falken, Bridgestone and Toyo then the rest follow”
Whatever you mean by the term “first tier” is uncertain but you seem to have grouped the most expensive brands there?

Couldn't have put it better myself. I recall having REALLY expensive Continental tyres all-round on my XK8 some years back now and god were they noisy, and stiff, and seemed even to overide the PS: Falkens put it right - drove like a dream after the change. Can't stand noisy tyres. Almost as energy draining as having/owning a noisy Alpha R... But of course only in my opinion - and I'm not funded.

Philip wrote:

Seriously? That’s an objective, figured test and it’s pretty obvious where the cheapo stuff ranks in terms of performance. Different requirements obviously mean different compromises, but I’m not sure how that’s relevant in a comparison of tyres all designed to do the same thing.

I guess we can use these ads as a sort of loose guide - but 99% of ads are sponsored and with a funded bias. I wonder if some of these ads are promoted by Dominion?!? There is some promoting going on in that ad - clear to see. Again, a guide, but not truly an objective, figured test: I mean: how do you know?
Every bit helps though... to give us a more rounded overview and hopefully some tried and tested opinion.

Philip wrote:

So it must be complete coincidence that the Pilot Sport 4 has cleaned up in most recent high-performance summer tire tests, then. Or maybe Michelin just bribe better? Either way, I’m sure you’ll be just fine on your Umbongos.

Is that another brand I've got to go looksee: