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mjdronfield Member Since: 04 Nov 2011 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 7806 |
I think anything after the D4 isn’t a proper Discovery..... and that the TD5 engined LR products were the last you could get away with potentially easily fixing in the field.
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28th Jan 2021 4:32pm |
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dhallworth Member Since: 10 Oct 2011 Location: Glasgow Posts: 3106 |
Some spec's and colours of the new Defender make me think that I really like it and wouldn't mind having one, others make me think there's no way I'd have that. It does seem to be one of those cars that's very spec dependent on how it looks.
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28th Jan 2021 5:25pm |
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Philip Member Since: 05 Jan 2010 Location: UK Posts: 2568 |
Really. It was a relic by the time the Series III arrived (and I say that owning one). |
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28th Jan 2021 5:27pm |
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KurtVerbose Member Since: 08 Aug 2010 Location: Les Arses Posts: 5848 |
Yes they were updated. Each an incremental update of the previous one, and doubtless there wasn't a bolt from the last one that was the same as the first. But as I stated, there wasn't a new one, just updated versions of the previous ones. Everyone loves the old defender, but very few people actually want to own one, certainly after trying them. The new one has to reach a broader audience. I think they've done a pretty good job, but anyone expecting a very basic and cheap vehicle was bound to be disappointed. The market just won't support that. |
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28th Jan 2021 5:28pm |
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KurtVerbose Member Since: 08 Aug 2010 Location: Les Arses Posts: 5848 |
I briefly had a series III diesel. At its maximum speed of 50mph the rear view mirror was useless at night as it shook so much with the vibration. |
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28th Jan 2021 5:30pm |
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KurtVerbose Member Since: 08 Aug 2010 Location: Les Arses Posts: 5848 |
I saw this lovely old (I think) series 2 last summer. Lovely car to look at and go 'ah'.
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28th Jan 2021 5:35pm |
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Philip Member Since: 05 Jan 2010 Location: UK Posts: 2568 |
Fortunately mine’s a six cylinder petrol, but I take your point. |
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28th Jan 2021 5:35pm |
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TJRL Member Since: 07 Sep 2019 Location: Reading Posts: 198 |
As you can see from my signature block, I have a 1960 SII Land Rover, sort of the grandfather to the 2016 Defender and I can tell you at lots and lots of 2016 Defender parts fit my 1960 SII. Even the door hinges fit despite being a completely different design! So do the; seats, door mirrors, rear door, front doors, wings etc. etc. The original proposition being put forward was that the reason people have some resistant to the 2020 Defender is that it was a 1948 to 2020 upgrade all in one go. But it was not. - It was a complete change of car that took JLR 4 years to implement. The reason I dislike this new vehicle being called a Defender is that it has no resemblance to the previous vehicle. JLR are not targeting the same market, or the same use, but are just cynically trying to reuse the good name of the previous vehicle. To me it almost a trading standards abuse! Back in 1982 I went from a Mk V Cortina to one of the very first "Y" reg Ford Sierras. Ford had the sense not to name this car a Cortina even though the Cortina had decades of good will behind it's name. The 2020 "Defender/Pretender" is a great car and if reliable, much better than a 2016 Defender. But is not a Defender if by "Defender" one means a Land Rover car of the 1948 to 2016 linage (or DNA). PS - I am 6'4" and did not purchase a 2016 Defender (although did consider it as an investment) because for the money I would have brought a "nicer" car. But I would consider a 2020 "Pretender" if they turn out to be reliable and if I could re-badge it 2010 Range Rover TDV8 Baltic Blue Autobiography (2011 MY) - SOLD 1960 Land Rover SII SWB SW 2020 BMW R1250 RT LE 2021 Triton ST-125 (Monkey Bike) |
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28th Jan 2021 6:15pm |
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SS.Lyria Member Since: 01 Dec 2016 Location: London Posts: 247 |
I’m guessing LR are trying to snap up disgruntled D4 owners who don’t like the D5, whilst trying to attract some Defender die hards to join the party.
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28th Jan 2021 7:59pm |
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Philip Member Since: 05 Jan 2010 Location: UK Posts: 2568 |
How much of a 1964 911 is there in a 992? Zero. The Defender's market was very small, mainly because it was objectively completely rubbish in comparison with pretty much every potential rival - things move on. |
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28th Jan 2021 8:17pm |
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TJRL Member Since: 07 Sep 2019 Location: Reading Posts: 198 |
"How much of a 1964 911 is there in a 992? Zero" - Actually about 33% (the "9" in 911 is also the "9" in 922). "things move on" - Indeed and that should have included the name! On that note so am I, as you already know my thoughts on JLR's disingenuousness calling it a Defender. 2010 Range Rover TDV8 Baltic Blue Autobiography (2011 MY) - SOLD 1960 Land Rover SII SWB SW 2020 BMW R1250 RT LE 2021 Triton ST-125 (Monkey Bike) |
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28th Jan 2021 9:53pm |
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Cam-Tech-Craig Member Since: 03 Aug 2011 Location: Gloucestershire Posts: 16294 |
Could i make a quick point that you may have either overlooked or not really considered? Bowler... We all know Bowler from the early days, right upto the "wildcat" and even the Range Rover Sport Dakar thing they produced... But few know or even took much notice of the work and progress Bowler made with the Bulldog! Now for those who didn't know, the Bulldog was a Defender'ish chassis with L405/494 subframes grafted in so it could run L405/L494 running gear... This usually ran the 3.0SDV6 which we all know to be a fine engine with plenty of tuning potential... It ran Defender'ish looking bodywork however, all made in house as it was all very slightly different to a Defender... Like the Spanish Santana or a home made Defender 100" made on a RRC platform... So looked like a Defender but Not 100% accurately a Defender... Anyhow i digress! So, fast forward several years and Bowler are ready to release their latest project... A Modular Bulldog! To be sold to the military and alike as a flat floored extendable wheelbase to 110 & 130 using their chassis with L405\494 subframes and running gear both on coils or air, to be used in third world countries etc etc etc... Fast forward a couple of years, Bowler go under and is then purchased by JLR and voila! The next thing i see is the new Defender, i go and have a look and what do i see underneath? Pretty much a similar car to the Bulldog albeit a watered down simpler version... So i think the link between Bowler & JLR may have been far closer than most would have imagined, even to the point of Bowler developing the New Defender in plain sight??? So, why am i telling you this? Because i see the link between the old Defender and the New Defender, just in a different way to most who have voiced their opinion... Thoughts? |
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29th Jan 2021 12:55am |
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Bl4ckD0g Member Since: 16 Feb 2020 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 1322 |
I thought they were awful, I started of with one but then the army I was in switched to the Geländewagons or G Class from Mercedes. LOL It cut my journeys in half, used less fuel, had way more comfort, and was better off road... I also don't understand these comments about being able to fix it in the field. Firstly do the majority of owners really do that And secondly, you can with modern cars as well, a combustion engine is still a combustion engine. No magic involved. I do agree with you, they need to sell more of them then just some loyalist, and city people moving a few miles out of London. Heck most of the farmers and farm hands around me use normal pickup trucks nowadays. But I'm seeing more of the new Defender than the old one around us already. But for the money they are asking I rather have a G or GLS class |
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29th Jan 2021 7:08am |
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SS.Lyria Member Since: 01 Dec 2016 Location: London Posts: 247 |
I see the link you’re making Craig
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29th Jan 2021 7:23am |
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