Well guys and girls the end is near.

The government have apparently brought forward the date for new diesel and petrol car production and sales to end to 2035. So in 15 years we will hopefully have new power sources that will either match or exceed the ones we presently have.

There has been a lot of talk about the high rate of depreciation on newer Land Rover products. This news will certainly not help the situation and, in my opinion, only make the depreciation cycle worse.

My L322 is now 15 years old and I had been eyeing up a newer replacement. I guess I’ll just sit back and watch for a little longer......

Jim

But they have not announced where the electrical power is coming from or the infrastructure to distribute it. 2003 Range Rover Vogue TD6

There is a scenario where the lack of availability of "New" petrol and diesel cars results in a greater demand for used Petrol/Diesel vehicles, pushing the values up of those last remaining vehicles up?

Personally I think they're in dreamland. It isn't just the lack of infrastructure to support tens of millions of electric cars, its the additional power stations etc they'll need to build to cope with millions of cars begin plugged in at 6pm when everyone gets home from work. And at that point people will start to realise that massive environmental impact electric cars indirectly have, electric cars might not have the impact coming directly out of their exhaust, but where does that electric come from? The impact of building sources of that additional electricity, the impact of mining the lithium required to produce tens of millions of batteries every year. I have this feeling this could end up being one of the biggest cons of our generation.

It cannot physically happen for reasons outlined above. La la land Gone to a good home: 2011 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE Buckingham Blue with Ivory and clear glass = "Rory"
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There is a scenario where the lack of availability of "New" petrol and diesel cars results in a greater demand for used Petrol/Diesel vehicles, pushing the values up of those last remaining vehicles up?

Personally I think they're in dreamland. It isn't just the lack of infrastructure to support tens of millions of electric cars, its the additional power stations etc they'll need to build to cope with millions of cars begin plugged in at 6pm when everyone gets home from work. And at that point people will start to realise that massive environmental impact electric cars indirectly have, electric cars might not have the impact coming directly out of their exhaust, but where does that electric come from? The impact of building sources of that additional electricity, the impact of mining the lithium required to produce tens of millions of batteries every year. I have this feeling this could end up being one of the biggest cons of our generation.

So our V8 oil burners will soon be things of rarity........I look forward to a reverse in the depreciation curve

I have been looking at V8 petrol Mercs and Audis over the last few weeks, and those prices are definitely dropping too. Current: FF Westminster money pit

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A lot can change in 15 years... 2035 might be either laughable or hopelessly unambitious, only the future can tell! One thing's for sure, they better get a wriggle on in the EV charging infrastructure which is tragic today in terms of capacity, reliability and usability (really, I need 99 different EV charger accounts/cards/pins/apps and what about in Europe?). It's a total, unmanaged joke. L405 P400e Autobiography (MY2020)... Silicon Silver / Espresso

I don't know how accurate it was, but I read somewhere that apparently you'd have to drive an electric car 100,000 miles to reach the point where it has had less of an environmental impact than driving the same miles in a petrol/diesel car. And apparently so far batteries are showing signs of significant degradation well before then. So then you need to replace the batteries, one of the most harmful aspects of the electric car, then how far do you have to drive once you're on your second battery pack to have had less impact than petrol/diesel?

Seems we'll be making ourselves less competitive with other major economies if this plan goes ahead.

Does this diktat only apply to the poor, long suffering private motorist or will every van, truck, bus, fire engine etc etc have to be battery?

As stated above, simply can't see this happening in 15 years but can see lots of money being wasted to try and achieve it whilst other economies continue to enjoy cheap power and the advantages of jumping into their proven, reliable (not Land Rovers of course) internal combustion engined vehicles and cracking on. RR Vogue TDV8 Grey/Black
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It’s impossible, there will never be enough charging stations. Thing of any car park, in town, at work etc... where will they place all the charging stations and how will they get Mega Watts of power to these locations... it just doesn’t scale from the few charging stations you see at the moment.

Can’t understand why they have picked on hybrids, it’s the only current technology that get round the range issues for anyone that doesn’t just do school runs.

This climate change alarmist crap is getting out of hand, it will cost us all massively, restrict travel and make heating a real issue for the elderly and poor.. energy prices are going to through the roof and the poor will suffer the most and the rich green left will benefiting. The trillions spent and actions taken over the last 20 yrs this scare has been going on have made no effect. Solar and Wind plus other renewables can never be scaled to provide the reliable base load power we need and the world puts plans in place to close hundreds of coal and nuclear power stations with nothing to fill the gap.

I predict we will see a lot of gray outs and black outs in the next 5 yrs and lots of electronics failures from dirty electricity

We have handed control to the radical left and greens that prosper off all this alarmist crap. The media including the BBC don’t fact check and just roll out the alarmist crap and never counter when wrong or any sort of balance.

I hope the kick comes soon but also hope the swing isn’t to the far right. Australia and the US seem to have some resemblance of control on this climate crap, just hope they prevail.

Greta, Prince Charles and David Attenborough etc have agendas and green money backing them.... they have all gone truely mad! 🤬

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Pigs to fly in 2036...

Pigs will have to fly as all the EV’s will be flat!

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I am not sure this is all "alarmist crap", just look at the current melting of various glaciers, etc. etc.

I do agree that "picking on hybrids" does not seem to make sense and that a coherent plan is needed BEFORE making such announcements. Show us the plan and we can buy into it, but just announcing some aspirational target that will occur (or not) years after you will have retired and without any detail is just foolish and/or disingenuous. 2010 Range Rover TDV8 Baltic Blue Autobiography (2011 MY) - SOLD
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With the demand on electricity obviously significantly increasing in the future, one of the main challenges of this electric car agenda will be electricity supply and the increasing cost of it, so why not bring in some legislation that says every new house, every new building has to come with solar panels? The cost of the panels would be negligible when compared to the cost of the house? Would help to feed supply back into the grid, keep the BAU cost of running the house down for occupants and reduce the need for some power stations?

I thought that glaciers had been melting since the last ice age, or at least that's how I've been told how our hills and valleys came into being. There is some dispute amongst scientists about just how quickly the remaining glaciers are melting, some have even reported that the ice that is lost one year is replaced over time in a typically cyclical motion. The glaciers after all are constantly moving.

The cost of mining lithium in terms of carbon footprint means that everything from electric toothbrushes, mobile phones, laptops, electric cars etc is greater than the total carbon output of the UK (currently just under 4% per annum of total global carbon emissions). Haven't seen many people giving these up those.

David Attenborough is making yet another program about the planet, the carbon footprint to produce this series is greater than I am likely to produce in years but it doesn't stop him from making them. Obviously good for his bank balance but not for the environment he is so concerned about.