L405 Westminster has arrived . The Vogue, VSE and AB remain in the line up. The Westminster is priced ~£3.5k over a Vogue but has maybe £7k of extras on it.

As I understand it, you can expect:
* Debadged... no trim or engine badge, only the righthand Land Rover badge
* 3L diesel... and maybe some P400e
* Vogue leather, i.e. Windsor seats with plastic door rolls & dash top
* Suedecloth headlining
* AB diamond turned wheels
* Sliding pano roof
* Soft close doors
* can't remember what else

I've seen one and it's GREAT, certainly well worth the upgrade for Vogue buyers... "the thinking man's/person's L405"  L405 P400e Autobiography (MY2020)... Silicon Silver / Espresso

Got a link?

. Cheers, Greg
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2011 Vogue SE 4.4 with lots of toys in Stornaway

No, sir. I was picking up my new car (I'll post/brag about that later) and whilst poking around I stumbled across the Westminster and the sales manager spilled the beans. Beadles North West London (Staples Corner) - top dealership in my opinion. L405 P400e Autobiography (MY2020)... Silicon Silver / Espresso

New Westminster - What no V8  2021 L405 Vogue SE 4.4 V8 DIESEL ~ #17

But we're all driving i4's these days. RIP V8s! And as for Westminsters, maybe they should all be electric-only?  L405 P400e Autobiography (MY2020)... Silicon Silver / Espresso

GGDR wrote:

Got a link?

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ilard wrote:

But we're all driving i4's these days. RIP V8s! And as for Westminsters, maybe they should all be electric-only?

I'm sure they'll get there one day, which will of course be a good thing for the environment, but at the moment I can't help thinking of a cotton reel, a rubber band and two matchsticks (no offence intended). Not to mention economic issues. At the moment, reduced tax red diesel is about 60 pence per litre so imagine how many litres of white diesel are sold each day and how much of that is tax and contributing a huge amount to Government coffers. At the moment, we're in the infancy of hybrids and electric cars, but once battery technology becomes totally viable I should imagine our electricity bills might increase somewhat

I know there are solid use cases for diesel and certainly for V8s (having been an owner of 3 petrol V8s in the past I totally get it).

For my use case the P400e is simply perfect. Loads of poke blended with very VERY calm wafting. I don't care about MPG or about £20 annual residents parking permit vs £180. I suppose I do care about the environment, but I think a Euro 6 diesel solves that, although the P400e gives me better bragging rights despite the worse MPG. Really, for me it's about the poke of the P400e and the epic wafting, especially in London traffic.

I think the tech is relatively simple (I mean, just look at the complexity of a bi-turbo diesel engine), but P400e tech will date very very quickly, unfortunately, way faster than the way the 5.0 SC or SDV8 has dated over the last 9 years, for example. I could have gotten a 5.0 SC for a mere £3k more, but I didn't. Check in with me in 10 years and let's see how I feel with the bet I placed.  L405 P400e Autobiography (MY2020)... Silicon Silver / Espresso

In around 10 - 15 years time when electric vehicles (which are really battery vehicles) are common place we will be reading about how mining for lithium to create the battery is destroying the planet. Not to mention the energy required to transport the core product to be manufactured into various batteries that are then transported around the world. Add to that the need to generate more electricity to charge these vehicles and the life span of the battery and it’s disposal. I fear this will turn into another debacle just as diesel has become.

Hydrogen! All LR cars from 1984
2021.5 Vogue SE D300 Carpathian Grey
2018 Vogue SE British Racing Green GONE

I think hydrogen is the long term solution, unless battery technology and charging changes significantly.

As I understand,producing Hydrogen requires a lot of electricity

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.. Cheers, Greg
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2011 Vogue SE 4.4 with lots of toys in Stornaway

JLR have stopped investing in electric and are concentrating on Hydrogen. So is Dyson. All LR cars from 1984
2021.5 Vogue SE D300 Carpathian Grey
2018 Vogue SE British Racing Green GONE

But Dyson has withdrawn from the car industry. Or was that just a decoy press release or something? Hydrogen is really exciting, you could refuel it like petrol, but I also heard it is environmentally expensive to produce which might throw some blockers in the way. It is seriously explosive, so you can't take safety lightly. And imagine how long it will take to roll out a whole new infrastructure. But I'd be supportive, it certainly feels right as a fossil fuel alternative. A small to medium battery + a hydrogen fuel tank, and it's the hybrid of the future.

In the meantime, a wee 300 BHP 4 pot petrol and a chubby 150 kg battery are good enough for me for now! I tell you this thing is seriously sprightly (and rolly). I'll be offering drag races for 5.0SC and 4.4 SDV8 owners next thing you know

well, a drag race to 30 mph, and strictly in a straight line  L405 P400e Autobiography (MY2020)... Silicon Silver / Espresso