Having just read a thread regarding a member's choice of second hand vehicle I thought the below might be useful:

I do some work with the Passenger Transport industry and am aware that many operators thought they were saving money by purchasing Euro V vehicles (which was possible in the UK due to a loop hole in the legislation) long after the European Union directive (2015). What has now happened is the residual values of these euro V vehicles have now collapsed leaving a big hole between the write down value and the actual value. I imagine the same has affected the LGV sector.

Retrofitting of expensive exhaust gas after treatment systems to commercial vehicles is now big business.

Whilst the above might not directly correlate to passenger cars at the moment the principle could well be the same before long due to the number of proposed Clean Air Zones (CAZ). Up till now only London has been charging for the Low Emission Zone (LEZ) and more recently the introduction of the Ultra-Low Emission Zone (ULEZ). Off the top of my head there are currently at least 5 other towns and cities. Leeds, Southampton, Nottingham and Derby (undergoing consultation). Birmingham has just published their plans. All the above are or will more than likely charge for (all) vehicles not meeting Euro IV (petrol) and Euro VI (diesel) by 2020.

I would also imagine before too long, vehicles not meeting the above standards may be subject to a number of additional government lead levies and charges. One option might be to increase road fund licence charges.


Just my two pence worth.....

If you have trouble getting off to sleep you might want to read the following:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/public-...nce-review 2019 BMW 440i convertable (hers)
2018 (MY2017) RR Vogue (mine)
2016 Mercedes SLK (her's, gone)
2016 Honda CB1100EX (calm sunny days)
2015 Honda CRF250 full blown motocross (when my bad back is up to it)
2013 Ducati 1199 Panigale (Gone. It would have killed me)
2012 Kubota B Series Tractor (The grass doesn't cut itself)
2011 Honda CB1000 Fireblade (Crazy sunny days)
Last 20 years mix of Mercedes E & ML Class

I'm inside the central London ULEZ zone so as a resident I have 2.5 years to get rid of my Euro V RR.
Which I'm not happy about. It might be time for a vehicle change by then but I'd rather make that choice rather than having it shoved down my throat.

I researched before purchase and chose Euro V which was ok but Khan moved the goalposts. Problem is, TFL (Transport for London) and the Mayor's office for that matter are more of a dictatorship than a democracy. Don't get me started. Wait too late.

I do wonder if some clever people could bring out an affordable AdBlue conversion to make A V a VI. And yes you're right:

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Retrofitting of expensive exhaust gas after treatment systems to commercial vehicles is now big business.

Greg,
I feel it is only a matter of time before Manchester brings in a similar scheme.
A couple of questions if you don’t mind.
1) Would a 5.0l petrol 2011 be exempt? or maybe charged at a lower rate than a 4.4 tdV8 ?
2) If a retrofit adblue kit became available, how would you prove it was now a Cat6 car?

My long term plan has always been to keep B.B. but I fear, like you being “priced out”
Mike. G reg 2.5VM Vogue Portofino red 1991- 1999
V reg 2.5td P38 Rioja red 1999- 2006
53 reg td6 Vogue Oslo blue 2006- 2015
11 reg 4.4 TdV8 Vogue SE. Baltic blue 2015- date.
https://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic56162...tty+affair

In Germany the conversion from 5 to 6 has started for all cars and Daimler and VW (yes;-) have said that they probably will help with the conversion costs for their costumers. Costs seem to range from 2000 to 5000 euro. It seems that the fuel consumption will go up with 5% when the system is build in.

For those that read German
https://www.autozeitung.de/euro-6-nachruesten-183792.html#

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Would a 5.0l petrol 2011 be exempt?

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2) If a retrofit adblue kit became available, how would you prove it was now a Cat6 car?

Baltic Blue wrote:

Greg,
1) Would a 5.0l petrol 2011 be exempt? or maybe charged at a lower rate than a 4.4 tdV8 ?

Oh is it Euro 4 for petrol Paul? Didn't realise....

Greg

. Cheers, Greg
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2011 Vogue SE 4.4 with lots of toys in Stornaway

Yes, Euro 4 for petrol.

ULEZ is a nonsense - I don’t think people have realised the impact it will have when it expands.

How is LPG regarded in this systems? Anyone?

LPG only works on petrol engines so the regs are the same as for petrol.
If an earlier (pre euro IV) petrol engine was converted it would still be able to be run on petrol so would be liable for the charge.

Yes I know that LPG works only on petrol engines, however here in France LPG is regarded as ethanol etc. in the whole system and one is free to circulate in the zones that are regarded as "poluted" and that are sometimes completely closed for diesel euro 5 and lower and petrol 4 and lower during polution periods (hot days, no wind etc.) Everyone has to buy a sticker however for the windshield with a 1 to 6 classification to enter the big cities and typical French 1 is clean and 6 is most poluting. So my 4.4 ltr petrol car with LPG has a green sticker with a proud 1 (don't forget that this system is also an obligation for tourtists)

gonna_go_double_r wrote:

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Would a 5.0l petrol 2011 be exempt?

Yes Mike 5.0 petrol (Euro 5) is ok in Khan's ULEZ, it's evil diesels that must be min. Euro 6

It's all completely unreasonable when there are all sorts of things unchecked - refrigeration units on trucks are spewing out un-filtered emissions, generators running 24/7 and plant equipment too.

Don't get me started. Wait too late. Again.

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Checked my reg on the ULEZ website and the charge applies.. essentially, it will be congestion + ULEZ charge of £24. Looks like I wont be driving into London next time Im there

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Just checked my farm tractor which is a 17 year old diesel but it is not subject to the extra charge!!!!
Not that I want to drive it to London