Does anyone know the difference between the Verdi and the m+s tyres is one better than the other?

As far as pirelli say, the Scorpion verdi is an "All Season Green Performance Crossover & SUV tyre, giving high mileage and stable performance".

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Pirelli/Scorpion-Verde.htm

The M&S is MUD and SNOW which means a slightly differnet tread pattern to disperse ..... mud and snow. I have used M&S tyres in very heavy snow conditions (and cold) with no problems.

winter tyres are best though for very cold climates (stopping distance is waaaaay better).

Thanks for the reply

As above

M&S is a designation for a particular tread pattern and isn't a model of tyre as such - there's no specific tyre that's a Pirelli M&S - maybe a Scorpion ?

Also, there's usually no such thing as 'better' only different - it will very much depend on where you want to drive & when - they best tyre for summer tarmac will likely suck on ice, snow, mud, wet grass etc.

I believe Zeros are available as Zero - or Zero M+S

I'm trying to understand the physical difference.

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M&S means that the tread blocks have big enough gaps to self clear when filled with mud or snow.

Often confused with winter tyres - but they aren't - and that's a whole different topic.....

My Pirelli Verde are M+S tyres.

M+S actually means nothing - there’s no testing procedure or design criteria they need to conform to in order to be called M+S by the manufacturer.

If you don't have it marked on your tyres in the Alps at certain times of the year I'm told the Police can fine you, is that not so?

The three peak mountain snowflake symbol on winter tyres means they do actually meet some tested criteria (think it's just straight-line acceleration on snow).

Winter tyre regs for Europe:

https://www.theaa.com/european-breakdown-c...nter-tyres ("Some 'M+S' (mud and snow) tyres sold in the UK are summer tyres which wouldn’t meet the requirements below, even though the sidewall marking might suggest that they do").

Much of what is stated on the AA blurb refers to M+S tyres but you say there are some tyres with this mark which don’t make the grade. Is there a list of tyres which do or don’t ?

Going a bit off topic now - There's a thread on this every year - its a confusing area and many sites that should know better still give conflicting advice. Too many people thing Snow = Winter

M+S = wide gaps between tread blocks to self clear mud & snow - so they are quite useful in fresh snow

Winter = made with a higher silica content rubber so stay flexible at lower temperatures and have lots of little 'sipes' (cuts in the tread) which generate heat as the tread flexes. Winter tyres are way better on compacted snow, ice and even wet cold tarmac - there are various charts which show significantly reduced stopping distances etc in this conditions.

Most winter tyre are also M+S designated.

I was stopped at a police checkpoint yesterday for a tyre check at the borrow of a mountain - I was waved on once he saw the winter tyres, anyone not on them was made to put their chains on, though TBH most should have already had them on by that point.

Here's what the Conti regular M+S & Winter look like back to back - both are 275 40 22

Huwrhys wrote:

Much of what is stated on the AA blurb refers to M+S tyres but you say there are some tyres with this mark which don’t make the grade. Is there a list of tyres which do or don’t ?

Geez it’s a bit of a mine field. I think I’ll stick with the ones I have as I’m unlikely to be scaling the Alps anytime soon in winter.

If you go on to ownerinfo.landrover you will find the list of winter tyres homologated by LR for the various wheel sizes. Only Range Rovers since 1988