What's the range with full battery plus full petrol tank?

Dash will suggest up to 30, will do a real 25...

Re-read the question... will have a look at next fill but has a rolling 42 mpg

And any reliability sensation getting better or do you still worry when going out that you'll break down??

I so want to order it..........but my car works.....lol....and it's a nice car....and has a towbar....lol all smug in my new plug!

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The concern of breaking down again is passing with every daily commute. I hope I’ve not hexed it with that statement!! Really starting to enjoy driving this now with 3.5k miles done. Performance and economy is beyond expectation. Boring I know but 55mpg over 45 miles!!! 25 of which at m40 speed. Still finding new stuff within the infotainment and tonight sorted my mobile data connection issues, dodgy SIM card connection in the slot. Like that fact that the nav remembers your daily commute, don’t like the fact it doesn’t optimise the phev as it does if you select same route as a new journey! Results in more screens to swipe unnecessarily. Minor gripes I know.

But is that 55 mpg without using any battery power? BMW i3 Electric Car
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Oh yes binned that off for a flux capacitor!!

So the 55 mpg is all in your head rather than a realistic figure I.e. pointless quote? BMW i3 Electric Car
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Thanks for your trolling input!! Anybody with half a brain would realise that yes 55 mpg was achieved with a full battery at the start of the journey given the context of the thread. Not sure what your point is here.

Its not a trolling input and theres no need for the personal insults.

Quoting 55 mpg with a full battery is pointless, totally meaningless. For example if you had 30 miles range on battery and did a 10 mile drive to work, 10 miles back you would be permanently running on batter and could therefore quote infinite MPG. Absolutely of no use.

If you however start off with flat batteries, drive in traffic so that the benefits of regen braking can be used and then report the MPG that would be really useful, accurate and to some interesting. It's also relevant what happens when you are running on battery power (or flux capacitor LOL), what effect does it have on the range when heating or aircon is used?

I assure you I am not trolling I am genuinely interested in Hybrids but the ridiculous claims do trigger soapbox mode. When Mistubishi advertised their Outlander PHEV at 158 mpg I took issue with them, they didnt accept my comments so it went to the adverting standards agency who upheld my complaint and they had to change their advertising. I had a PHEV on trial for a day, it managed 23 mpg under real world conditions, a far cry from Mitsubishi's 158. BMW i3 Electric Car
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Interesting that. I remember having a Vauxhall Ampera for a fortnight. The official mpg figure was 236mpg. Charging it every night, I managed to get an average fuel consumption figure of around 40mpg - less than the equivalent turbo diesel.

What did Mitsubishi change their claim to?

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They had had stop claiming 150 mpg with qualifying it and even their range came under scrutiny. BMW i3 Electric Car
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The thing is with a hybrid, the only time it's an advantage is in stop start traffic, only then can it recoup some of the energy in stopping. At ALL other times it's a distinct disadvantage, extra weight being the killer, usually being lumped to a petrol engine too is the second nail in the coffin, lastly the price. BMW i3 Electric Car
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Quoting 55 mpg (I assumed battery full, obviously) is not meaningless to me. It’s another interesting data point on what to expect for shorter journeys from home. So thanks for this update, Gt3gooner.

I think what we’re all missing is an in-depth professnal review, e.g. from Autocar, that really puts it through its paces under some controlled driving experiments and their comparison with alternatives.

I was 99% sure I was going to wait for the L460 in 2020 (fingers crossed!) with the reliability rumours on today’s model, but I might change my mind. 2020 or 2021 feels like an eternity away.

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The thing is with a hybrid, the only time it's an advantage is in stop start traffic, only then can it recoup some of the energy in stopping. At ALL other times it's a distinct disadvantage, extra weight being the killer, usually being lumped to a petrol engine too is the second nail in the coffin, lastly the price.