Nice - i got a copy of this  All my spelling errorz are belong to me!

2023 FFRR L460
2021 AM new Vantage

I was in my local MD yesterday and they have confirmed that the facelift will have almost the same appearance as the Velar - has anyone else heard when the 2018 facelift will be available ? 2021 L405 Vogue SE 4.4 V8 DIESEL ~ #17

Visual changes are supposedly minor. Last month, dealer thought January (but they seem to know very little).

Dealers will only be told at the very last minute and the sales people last of all.

The job of sales is to sell what's available now, not provide information that's only likely to delay a sale.

We will probably know before they do!

(Worked continuously in sales, or sales management, for around 25 years).

In line with modern day LR design philosophy I suspect the face lift will mean it looks more like the Velar. The whole line up is becoming far too generic for me now. It seems like the design studio has one set of plans they simply put in a photocopier with different zoom settings!!!!  405 AB exec seats Baltic and Cirrus
93 RR Classic efi

Remember it's easier to get forgiveness than permission!

Gone in order:
4.4 TDV8 SE - gone to a good home
93 Classic hard dash Plymouth Blue
03 L322 Oslo Blue
2000 Disco TD5 ES Epsom Green
98 P38 Rioja Red
89 Classic Cairngorm Brown

copying audi and mercedes

At least, to LR's credit, they give the different ranks in the hieracy names (like Ejoke, Velar, Sport & whatever-it-is-they-call-the-real-one) and expect a degree of intelligence from their customers to work out which is which and which order to put them in.

If it's a BMW, they have to label it with numbers in the hope that the average BMW driver has at least learned to count from 1 to 8 or, in the case of Audi, 7 and them simply prefix with an X, or a Q, if it's the Touring/Avant version, but with off road styling

I've never even bothered to check what it is Mercedes do, is it similar?

The model range bounds are getting blurry. They should have just replaced the Evoque with the Velar. Hope they don't continue down the Mercedes route. I always fancied the idea of an S Class Coupe, but now its easily confused with any number of cheaper offerings in the range.

Red Merle wrote:

Dealers will only be told at the very last minute and the sales people last of all.

The job of sales is to sell what's available now, not provide information that's only likely to delay a sale

(Worked continuously in sales, or sales management, for around 25 years).

Pixelpower wrote:

The model range bounds are getting blurry. They should have just replaced the Evoque with the Velar. Hope they don't continue down the Mercedes route. I always fancied the idea of an S Class Coupe, but now its easily confused with any number of cheaper offerings in the range.

Plus 1 - I think they should just ditch the poverty spec lower models and stick with the Proper RR  2021 L405 Vogue SE 4.4 V8 DIESEL ~ #17

I agree.

Personally I think having a raft of cheaper vehicles wearing the Range Rover badge does detract from the cache of a proper fattie.

It's not that many years ago when if you said you had a Range Rover people knew exactly what it was.

Now it annoys me that I have to explain I have a "proper" Range Rover.  2017 4.4 SDV8 Autobiography
2012 4.4 TDV8 Westminster - Gone, but not forgotten

If its a genuine photo the plan is obviously to make the new FFRR as wonky as the new D5 . The grill is offset to the drivers side by a good 4" Paul

2014 Range Rover vogue se 4.4sdv8 Loire Blue
1992 Range Rover Vogue LSE 4.2 Ardennes green

Rob99,
I know where your coming from all sorts of riff raff are now driving stuff with Range Rover badged, the pseudo Range Rovers are guy giving the mere mortals a placebo effect , think they are driving the real Mc Coy

I saw that on the other forum but I suspect the MY18 facelift will involve a bit more than revised headlights (the drawing shows no change whatsoever in bodywork).