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Hang on a minute my friend. If you want to deny technological progress in life you aint gonna get very far. You can wind a window down but you dont moan about being able to just press a button.

Double standards me thinks. Having driver aids does mean you can drive without being able to drive. Silly boy. Yawn

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One should not hold car with footbrake (manual gearbox) when stopped, especially on a hill. Handbrake on gearbox to Neutral. On moving off in gear take the bite, release handbrake. Don't tell me you can do it without rolling backwards Twisted Evil (out of control!)

I can accept some of your arguments but I really rate my active cruise control. I don't think it makes me a worse driver at all and to some extent it makes me feel safer in the car.

Of course I am ready to brake and don't sit back, nodding off. In very bad weather I set it at a long distance and trail the car in front, it's been particularly helpful in the dense fog recently.

On long runs I get out the car more refreshed without an aching leg, foot and ankle.

I have used regular cruise control for years and would make sure that any car I have in the future will have it. I have been driving for 34 years now and I fully embrace all the new driving aids as long as the driver is able to take control and override them when necessary. 2005 L322 Vogue Gold gone
2006 L322 Vogue Black gone
2011 L322 Vogue Silver gone
2011 L322 Autobiography Black gone
2015 L405 Autobiography LWB Black gone
2019 L405 P400e Range Rover Autobiography LWB Eiger grey / black roof gone
2001 P38a 30th Anniversary Wimbledon Green gone
2019 L405 P525 Autobiography LWB British Racing Green

I'm not saying that these passive aids destroy good drivers, rather they allow those who cannot really drive to do so. There will also be those who think active cruise and lane assist makes them invincible, therefore they can text for hours, or read a book safe in the knowledge they cannot possibly be involved in a shunt. Others use it sensibly, but because it can so easily be abused is why I don't like it. I wouldn't not buy a car just because it was fitted. Drives:
2010 FFRR TdV8 Vogue - Stornoway Grey
2010 FFRR TdV8 Vogue SE - Zermatt Silver
1998 BMW E36 M3 GTII

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rather they allow those who cannot really drive to do so.

Now that I have active cruise control I tend to sit further away from the person in when using it, and I see that is a good thing.
And I tend to use it a lot on the motorway now.
It also makes for a more relax drive overall and therefore reduces the stress levels  Regards
Mark

2012 Westminster
GONE - 2007 Java Black FF Vogue, with Ivory interior

I find when I'm texting or on Facebook that passive aids really save my bacon sometimes . Lane assist is so handy in the morning rush hour and I don't end up spilling my coffee , it's people who blow their horns and shout at me that get my goat , no control what so ever . 2008 MY Supercharged
Rimini Red / Jet
four zone climate
remote park heater
and no ugly kid windows.
magnus satis quod turpis satis

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I assume you are being sarcastic.......  There is nothing that can't be fixed with a hammer😜😜
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To be fair they have their place , there are some appalling drivers out there and saving lives is to be applauded even if it feels like we are being nagged at by the nanny state. They can always turned off and it is a little concerning to hear people saying they are not needed because they are too good a driver to need them . The technology will improve until we end up at the inevitable driverless car , we all have our off days . 2008 MY Supercharged
Rimini Red / Jet
four zone climate
remote park heater
and no ugly kid windows.
magnus satis quod turpis satis

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I find when I'm texting or on Facebook that passive aids really save my bacon sometimes . Lane assist is so handy in the morning rush hour and I don't end up spilling my coffee , it's people who blow their horns and shout at me that get my goat , no control what so ever

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I expect these features fail less than the average driver.......

Most drivers will not have cars equipped with these aids for a few years after passing their tests. So they will have to learn without them.

If they are good drivers, these aids won't make them worse ones - I find ACC frees me up to pay more attention to what is happening 10 cars ahead because I don't need to worry so much about the idiot in front of me.

If they are bad drivers, then I'd prefer they got all the help they can get - the dopey woman behind me putting on lippy looking in the vanity mirror.

We are heading to driverless cars anyway. Tesla' latest models will have alll the hardware of the autonomous test vehicles they have been running. I suspect that it is legislation that is holding things back right now.

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But park assist, hill start assist? Come on guys!

Have you actually tried the park assist on a L405? By the time it's found a space big enough you'll find a coach has nipped in before you

rvbush wrote:

You're almost certainly right, but I really do believe they get used wrongly by a lot of people. But park assist, hill start assist? Come on guys!

Driving cars will become a bit like riding horses - a nice hobby for those that enjoy it.

In the interim, I will take whatever help I can get and am happy for others to do the same

You mean horses don't come with park assist?

I still think the best horse comes with A1 Steak Sauce. Medium Rare.

Hill assist..... isn't that another way of saying Automatic gearbox?

What I want to know is, is the emergency stop still part of the driving test? and do they disable the ABS before hand? Cos when I took my test they hadn't started fitting ABS to anything other than the Jensen FF, and I had to use a Renault 6

Yes it's nice to have driver aids like cruise control..big help with average speed cameras, but if it was to go wrong..... electronic faults in a ffrr, Never I'd still be able to stop in an emergency, as I know what to do if the wheels lock up..... Would you? and mores to the point would the spotty teenager behind you? Yesterday I couldn't spell Engineer... Today I are one!
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