Hi All,

Great to see such an active forum discussing these great machines.

I have been looking into my next car for a few months. I have always wanted the FFRR since they launched, and can just about stretch to it at the moment. I guess I would be at the 'bottom end' of the market, so looking at 2013 cars, at about 55-57k. I have seen a reasonably nice looking one in Black, a Vogue, V6 diesel and considering travelling north to view it (4 hour drive I suspect!).

When buying a car shouldn't be asking this question, a very boring question, but how do we think depreciation may look over the next 9-12 months? I notice private sellers in today's market are selling (or trying to) at dealer prices, so not much around at 'bargain price' and I suspect that values will remain strong. Any experiences of trade-ins or private selling? How easy to sell one of these on?

I absolutely agree that private sellers are trying to sell at dealer prices therefore get one from a LR dealer and get the proper warranty .

As your looking at 2013 models you could easily negotiate a two year LR warranty for peace of mind .

This might help?
http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic36005.html

Thanks, I did view that thread. Looks like mid 50s is the bottom of the market at the moment.

Regarding buying from dealers, the one I have seen online and takes my fancy is actually with a Bentley dealer. Last service was done by them, which I am trying to assess if could be a problem for resale.

Options wise, still confused, I think the Vogue has most things I would need, is heated steering wheel standard?

This one has the pan roof (sliding one they tell me) and AFS. Not sure about High Beam Assist, which is something I did want.

If you want adaptive cruise control (great to have ) you will need to go vogue se .

Fascinating to read that you consider a 2013 car as "the bottom end" of the market.

Apologies, I hope my post did not come across as arrogant! It is definitely not bottom of the market - and for me, will be the most expensive car I have ever bought.

What I meant to say is bottom end of the L405 market / price bracket!

362bkr - Adaptive cruise is nice to have, but I do not want to spend a lot more than this, and going for an SE with nice colour combo is not going to be doable. Key to me is not losing too much money over period of a year or so.

That's alright then.
Good luck with your endeavors to find the right car for you.

362bkr wrote:

As your looking at 2013 models you could easily negotiate a two year LR warranty for peace of mind .

Well I have the spec listing:

Maker LAND ROVER EUROPE
Name Range Rover (GCAT) 2013-
Production Date 17.01.2013
Interior Perf Windsor
Emission V stage DPF
Engine Diesel 3,0L 24V DOHC V6 TC
Equipment Wheelbase - SWB [101AG];
Interior Trim Finish - Morzine Trim Finish [088HH];
Fixed Rear Camera - Rear View Camera [086FA];
Paint Bands - Metallic Paint [024AZ];
VIN format type - VIN format - EEC [147AA];
Interior Decal - Less Interior Decal [089CA];
Foot Pedals - Foot Pedal - standard [051AK];
Infotainment - Less Cellphone Interface [025PE];
VIN prefix position 11 - VIN prefix position 11 - A [146AA];
Contrast trim themes - Monotone Stitch [033IH];
Driver Assist - Lane Change Assist [086BB];
Seat Colour Combination - Ebony / Ebony [034DU];
Door Locking - Operation - Double Locking + Soft Close [076FC];
Door Handles - Exterior - Body coloured Door Handles [080AW];
Steering Wheel Heating - Less S/W Heating [032DU];
Washer Bottle - Washer Bottle Std [039BA];
VIN prefix positions 1-3 - VIN prefix positions 1-3 - SAL [138AA];
Land Rover Model Year Indicators - 2013 Model Year [001BU];
Front Foglamps - front fog lamps [064AP];
Seat Lumbar Adjustment - Less Rear Seat Power Lumbar [033ZZ];
Headlining - Cirrus Headlining [032EW];
Body Types - 4 Door Estate [099AB];
Exterior Features - Auto High Beam Assist [030NT];
Headlamps - Adaptive Headlights BiXenon [064DI];
Rear Console Functionality - Less Rear Cooler Box [038FA];
Wood Trim - Grand Black Wood (12) [088EH];
Drive Hands - RHD [251SF];
Front Treadstrips - FT DR Treadstrips - Range Rover [048AR];
Transmission Type - Paddle Shift [078CB];
Park Distance Control Sensor Front - Park Distance Control Sensor Front [086EG];
Paint Colours - Santorini Black [820];
Bumpers - Front Bumper - Atlas/Body Colour [080DT];
Roof Conversion - Roof Sliding - Panoramic [041CZ];
Door Cappings - PVC Door Top Rolls [090DI];
Headrestraint Logos - Less Seat Embossing [010AA];
Wheel & Tyre Configurations - Tyres Pirelli [029BA];
Gear Knobs - Rotary Gearshift Knob - Leather [117AK];
Rear Axle Differential - Rear Axle Open Diff [027CB];
Derivative Badges - No Derivative Badge [057BU];
Tyre Pressure Monitor - No Tyre Pressure Monitor [062AB];
Exterior Features - Blind Spot Monitor [086GD];
First Aid Kit - First Aid Kit [056AZ];
Air Conditioning - Fr & Rr Comfort Air conditioning [022BC];
VIN prefix position 10 - Vin prefix postion 10 -D [145AZ];
Drop in Mats (Front) - Front Floor Carpet Mats [079AJ];
Navigation Systems - Navigation centre Euro [025LP];
L405 Trim Packs - Vogue Diesel [250KF];
Console Material - TPO Console [088FB];
Tyre Size - 275/45 21 A/T Tyre [029QZ];
Front Seat Adjustment - Electric front seat adj. with Drv memory [033CT];
Front Touch Screen Displays - HLDF Screen [087AL];
Painted Roof - Body Colour Roof [080AC];
Glass - Privacy Glass Dark Tinted [047AB];
Body Coloured Mirrors - Body Coloured Mirrors [030BS];
Stop/Start Systems - Stop/Start Motor System [040AU];
VIN prefix position 5 - VIN prefix position 5 - A [140AR];
Proximity Mirrors - Less Proximity Mirror [031ZZ];
Engine Pre Heater - No Engine Pre-Heater [043BC];
Seat Heating - Heated Seats - Front and Rear [033EQ];
VIN prefix position 7 - VIN prefix position 7 - K [142AX];
Towing Equipment - No Towing Equipment [028EE];
Spare Wheel - Underfloor - Spare wheel Alloy Reduced Section [029QQ];
In Car Entertainment / Speakers - HI Line Audio - 600w [025LM];
Vehicle Information Control System - Traffic Message Channel (TMC) [087AG];
Front Headrestraint - Less Front Winged Headrestraint [033DL];
Facia Contrast Colours - Cooled Console - Front [038EA];
VIN prefix position 8 - VIN prefix position 8 - E [143AE];
Facia Contrast Colours - Ebony/Ebony IP Facia [038DL];
Front Seat Configuration - Less Passenger Seat Away [033NA];
Rear Seat Configuration - 60/40 Fold Through [033CW];
Facia Console - Mid Leather Facia [088FW];
Transmission - Auto 8 Speed Trans ZF 8H70 [078BT];
Perimetric Protection - Perimetric and Volumetric Protection [076EL];
Cruise Control - Cruise Control [065AB];
Door Casing Material - PVC Door Trim Panel [080NC];
Windscreen Glass - Standard Windscreen [047AO];
Television Receiver - TV Receiver Digital [129AK];
Smokers Pack - Smokers Pack [094AA];
Console Mounted Switches - Terrain Optimisation 2 [088IA];
Centre Console - Material / Finish - Console Lid Prem Leather [088FX];
Seats - Headrestraints - Less Rear Winged Headrestraint [033DM];
Exterior Mirror Function - Auto Dimming Mirror [031EB];
Power Unit Series - 3.0 Diesel V6 [200AP];
Bodystyle Moulding Inserts - B/S moulding Insert -Body Clr/Atlas [080XE];
Tyre Inflation System - LESS Instant Mobility System [029FK];
Steel / Alloy Options - 21 Alloy Delta Wing Sparkle Silver (D) [029SD];
Parking Assist - No Parking Assist [086YY];
Seat Bolster - Lumbar - 4 Way Driver [033JT];
Seatbelt Functionality - Seatbelt Retractor Euro [026RL];
Handbook Finish - Handbook - Std Cover [088JA];
Locking Radio Frequency - 433.92 MHZ frequency (normal) [076DF];
Power Train & Drive - Adaptive Dynamics [027CW];
Keyless Start / Entry - Passive Entry/Push Button Start [066AC];
Steering Wheel Styles - Leather Steering Wheel [032BV];
Seat Material - Oxford Leather [033JK];
Interior Light Package - Ambience Lighting - 2 [064FB];
Driver's Sunvisor - Sunvisor Dual Illuminated Driver [115AP];
Provision for Luggage Retention - No Loadspace Stowage Rails [135AJ];
Interior Trim Combinations - Ebony Seats Ebony/Ebony Cirrus [TKA];
Finishing Front End - Standerd Derivative Grille [064FE];
Battery Back-Up - BBUS with Tilt Sensor [076EG];
VIN prefix position 9 - VIN prefix position 9 - ? (check digit) [144BC];
Door Armrest - Prem Lthr Door Armrest [033IZ];
VIN prefix position 6 - VIN prefix position 6 - 2 [141AY];
Emission Directives - EU5 + DPF Emissions [053BZ];
VIN prefix position 4 - VIN prefix position 4 - G [139AM];
Rear Screen - No Rear Seat Entertainment [129XX];
Seat Features - Front Seats - 12x12 Way [033JP];
Stitching Colours - Contrast - Ebony Stitching [033IL];
Tailgate - Power TailgateTailgateZZVI [070AY];
Park Heating - No Park Heating [043AO];
4WD - 4WD [109AA];
Wheel Nuts - Locking wheel nuts [055AC];
Literature Packs - Home Market Literature Pack [002BA];
Heater Unit Operation - Electric Heater (PTC) [043AP];
Home Link - No Garage Door Opener [025FW];
Digital Radio Receiver - DAB (Digital Audio Broadcasting) [025JB]
Paint Santorini Black
Interior environment Saloon Ebony Black/Ebony Black

any pics ?

From what I understand residuals are expected to be strong for some time. Both the FFRR and the RRS have been doing well since launch, if you look at the used market for the previous models they have also been buoyed mostly by renewed interest in the brand (IMO). I expect LR will continue to move things on over the next couple of years and I don't see the brand image dipping any time soon. I would say a <£60k Vogue is not a bad place to put your money, you'll lose money for sure, but I doubt it will hemorrhage, for that vehicle I would bank on £5-7k of depreciation per year tailing off a little after 5yrs.

For just a bit more you could find yourself in a new one as there are some cracking finance deals out there. I managed to secure 5.9% APR on a loan which will be 2 points better than LR approved used (if you go down that route). PM me if you want details.

I would only buy from a dealer and get a proper warranty with the car - oh and take a dealer that is located near to you....  All my spelling errorz are belong to me!

2023 FFRR L460
2021 AM new Vantage

This is the car:

http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/classified/ad...;logcode=p

It is a dealer with a 12 month warranty, which they say I can use at any VAT reg garage local to me.
Let me know thoughts. Anything major missing on the spec. The sheet says LESS Heated Steering wheel, but apparently it does have it. Is this standard?