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Saint.v8



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Location: UK< Surrey - Near the Middle Close to Some Green Bits
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United Kingdom 2003 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Adriatic Blue
Short Harness Did not cure the problem... :censored: !

Following on from my replacement of the ABS Short harness to the ECU in a bid to cure my recurring ABS fault, and in response to the LR Tech Bulletin, unfortunately it hasn't cured the issue...

So most of today was spent trolling the internet for further information I could find out about the system.

The L322 2002-2006 shares a lot of tech with the E38/E39/E53 BMWs so I trolled their forums too.

The L322 and the BMW's use the same Bosch 5.7 DSC ABS Module and from what I can gather they suffer from heat induced failure. On the L322 the unit is mounted above the L/H bank exhaust but higher up than the E39 unit which is located above the R/H bank exhaust only lower and closer to it. The BMWs seem to suffer from this issue quite a lot from what I can gather!

My LPG pipes from the coolant system run directly underneath the ABS unit and as such could be making it a lot hotter than normal, hence why the L322 ABS module rarely fails due to heat but as mine is kept at around 105degC due to the coolant pipes...it could be the problem!

Range Rover .....

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BMW E39....



People have tried to shield the unit from heat using makeshift heat shields and one has even wrapped it in tin foil - not sure how effective that will be!

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A further troll reveals a few companies do remanufacture ABS Modules, one of which is BBA-Reman. Dutifully giving them a call and a chat they say a test on the unit will be £35+VAT+PP and if there is a fault the repair could be Around £200+ (+VAT & PP) but they won't be sure on costs until they test the unit which is understandable!

A further troll of suppliers indicates the Module starts at around £760+VAT to over a £1000+VAT.....Surprised

A further troll on the Bay of E reveals very few L322 ABS components let alone ECUs but I do spot one for sale from a Company called 2ndGear4x4, they have just got hold of a load of Main Dealer stock from a Dealer that went south due to the Financial situation ad have listed an Brand New in box ECU with Item No SRD000133 - mine is 132, a call to my Local LR Dealer Parts Centre confirms that 132 has been superseded with 133 and is a direct replacement......Fleabay price £250+PP Very Happy

A call to the girlfriend and a bit of apologising later I click Buy It Now.....

My MOT is due next Tuesday (14th) and is booked in....if it faults during the test it is an instant fail.....and I am not sure the new unit will be here by the MOT (est. Delivery is Tuesday to Thursday next week) fingers crossed it will be!!

So lets see if this is going to cure the ABS issue....! 

Post #187124 7th May 2013 8:45pm
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Saint.v8



Member Since: 13 Jun 2012
Location: UK< Surrey - Near the Middle Close to Some Green Bits
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United Kingdom 2003 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Adriatic Blue

Received New in Box ABS ECU from the bay of E and as can be seen it is as described - Brand New....

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It even still had the Valve Block Bungs and (admittedly) only 4 of the 6 mounting bolts!

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Dead simple to do....

Remove the connector and unscrew the 6x T20 Torx Bolts....support unit on removal of last bolt to prevent damage to ECU solenoids (if refitting) or the Valve Block Stems....

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Getting to the two closest to the suspension turret at the bottom was a bit of a faff as I have my LPG valve and vapouriser there, so access was limited!

Carefull pull the ECU unit directly towards the front of the car until clear of the Valve Stems

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Compare shot of the New (L/H) and Old (R/H)

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In true Haynes manual fashion, refit is the reverse.....CAREFULLY place the new unit over the Valve Stems be cautious not to damage the solenoids on the back of the ECU and bolt in place, nip them up to hold the unit, then do up in a crossways fashion to avoid over stressing the unit!

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Replace the ECU Connection

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Now here comes the bit I didn't bet on.....as the unit is Brand New it doesn't know which car it is attached too - a Diesel or a Petrol...and needs the ECU to be coded to the car....

A phone call to a Local Dealer reveals they are booked solid for the next 11 days...another Local Dealer is solid til next Thursday (Friday today)....hmmm but they do point me in the direction of a local Indy (of whom I never knew existed)....Rangers of Guildford

High Tail it over there, and have a chat with one of the nicest people I have ever met!

He says he is busy, but if I am willing to wait a while, he'll finish the one he is on, quickly do a check on another, then the T4 would be free for mine for half an hour or so over lunch before the next car is due on!

I tell him I am more than happy wait till the end of the day if I have too (5.5 hours away)and I will sit quietly in the corner till I am called!

10 minutes later he pops out with a mug coffee for me - wow....don't get that at LR, only those poncy machine crap!

20 minutes later, he sticks his head round the door asking me to drive the car into the workshop....

Still with coffee in hand, I drive into the workshop, and he wheels the T4 over....plugs it in, and we get chatting about Range Rovers and Land Rovers in general, he shows me the T4 and its functions, goes through the ECU Renew procedure, Clears down faults stored, shows me some of the more advanced functions....great piece of kit!

Following on from the ECU coding process, we tour his workshop and talk about the vehicles he has there and what they are in for, we talk about the P38's and their issues, the L322 and their issues etc....a really really nice bloke and the other two guys he has there are top chaps with a great sense of humour too!

I cross his palm with more silver than he asked for, as he not only slotted me in over lunch, he also offered me a coffee without asking....

For reference:

Rangers of Guildford
8 Westfield Road
Slyfield Green
Guildford
Surrey GU1 1RR

I won't post their Number as sometimes forums can be trolled by bots picking up numbers and register them with 'iffy' marketing agents who endlessly cold call....if you need the number 118 them or Gooooooooooogle.....

I never knew they existed, but I can guarantee you, I will don there door and cross their palms from now on, a great bunch of blokes!

I will lag the coolant pipes to prevent some heat from getting to close to the new unit, and maybe look at some heat shilding - the guy at Rangers indicated some Jag Powersteering pipe Asbestos covering and maybe even a Plumbers Soldering Heat Pad as good items to pursue.....

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As yet, there has been no recurrence of the fault, but it is early days and haven't done that much distance yet, so time will tell....fingers crossed....and I will update with the results of the Heat Proofing and if the fault has been cured in due course! 

Post #187653 10th May 2013 6:10pm
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Saint.v8



Member Since: 13 Jun 2012
Location: UK< Surrey - Near the Middle Close to Some Green Bits
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United Kingdom 2003 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Adriatic Blue

Following on from the replacement of my ABS ECU Module with a new one, and the subsequent recoding carried out at a very friendly local indy, I took the opportunity to open up my old unit to see if my research of internal wiring failure had any weight to it!

Using a scalpel and patience, I carefully opened the unit, took about 45 miuntes of constant scoring and cutting to get through the plastic cover, and to try and not deposit to much debris into the internals (only a small amount made it inside!)

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As mentioned previously, there are very fine Gold wires and larger Silver wires. I wasn't quite prepared for just how tiny these wires are, took me by surprise, they are minute!

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Using the tip of the scalpel, I gently poked each Silver wire in turn and one turned out to be very loose compared to the others, I think I may have found my problem. As the unit warms up and suffers vibration, the movement and heat expansion pulls this tiny wire off its contacts and causes my ABS system to fault!

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So it looks like this wire is the culprit

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Follows some other shots of the internals

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There have been reports of being able to resolder the wires in place by first removing the 'goo' that covers the connections, but looking at it, I don't have that kind of skill, I cannot express just how tiny these wires are.....best of luck to any one who gives it a go!! 

Post #187873 12th May 2013 11:59am
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Budgie



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Scotland 

For heat shielding on wiring and other items in the engine bay, I've used Aluminium Tape as it sticks to anything and moulds to the shape of item it's covering. It can also stand quite a lot of heat and I used it on some of the wiring harness on my old Defender when I did a V6 conversion on it as the harness was a bit too close the exhaust manifold. It never came off and protected the wiring.
It's cheap and worth having the garage. Wink 

Post #187895 12th May 2013 2:55pm
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