Hi folks.

Now, I have used Veggie oil, NOT Bio, Veggie oil off the supermarket shelves, for a number of years in my previous oil burners.

Whats the views, thoughts of using it in the FF?

I have used some in the car with the same good good results as before.

I am aware and adjust accordingly of the cold thickening the oil and never use it neat.

I do like using it and its not just for the price.
the power and smoothness of the engine is noticabuble when using the veggie.

just wondering your thoughts and also if anyone have indeed used it.

(Admin, if this is in wrong section, please move and appologies) Made in Scotland frae 'Girders'

I use it in my 110 300Tdi at around 30% but thought it killed modern high-pressure direct-injection engines?

Clearly not... Si. <This is my name.

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Tesco are doing it at £1 just noo.
Ive not used any more than 30% so far as too cold but will be 60% later today as got a few miles to cover laters. Made in Scotland frae 'Girders'

Common Rails will die with the stuff in any amount i'm afraid.

The best engines for SVO are IDI mechanical pumped/injected engines.

First the injectors wouldn't be able to atomise correctly and lead to poor running, though may not be detectable in warmer weather but in colder weather would make it harder to start.

Then the HP Pump would go as it wouldn't like the thickness of the stuff and end up blowing a seal out

Maybe best going with some good local BioD and sticking in the odd bit of 2 stroke to keep things lubricated. FFRR MY06 facelift With TDV8 Alloys Zeros/ATR's
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As above this is a BIG no no on any modern (common rail) diesel. The injectors will fail incredibly fast, and because it is too thick the high pressure pump (which relies on the fuel as a lube) will also wear very quickly, i would say both of these would fail within minutes.

I personally don't like running even idi's on veg as veg oil polymerises causing the piston rings to stick and lose compression. This is mostly curable by regular water injection, i find that after filtering and drying the veg oil its not a lot more effort to convert it into bio anyway. Add to that the benefit of a wider usable temp range and better running.

Bio diesel, on the other hand, as long as its properly converted de-meth'ed and dried will be absolutely fine in any diesel.

I make my own bio, and although i don't run the rangey on it yet, it is only because my filter and drying system is not upto the job. As soon as i have built the upgrade i will be using it.

Just one point in the above post i disagree with, is imho there is absolutely no point in using 2 stroke oil in bio (dino fine,if you want) because the lubricating properties of bio are far better than dino.

Gosh, what have I started.

Thank you for the replies, eye opening for sure and very informative.

I have used tescos own make for years withoot any probs at all.
Both in Mitsibushies and Landies.
I adjust the % of the derv/veggie according to the weather.
Not using it in winter and reducing it in the cold.

Very interesting in the damage that raw oil can cause.
As I dont use it neat or indeed almost neet then maybe thats why I aint had any probs?
Dont know but having travelled some 200k miles withoot the slightest hicup maybe I have either been lucky or I adjust the % with the weather correctly.

The only probs that I have had was with some Bio Derv which resulted in my fuel pump stopping deciding to stop due to the delamination of the old derv in the tank and pipe. (so I was told) I replaced it and all has been weil so far.
I noo carry a spare pump with me.


Ther is most definatly more responce from the engine when useing even one bottle of the veg.

Thank ye again for the replies. Made in Scotland frae 'Girders'

I used to run my old Discovery 300TDi with cooking oil mixed with the fuel, never had a problem. I wouldn't want to risk it in my FF though. The old Disco was a bit more primitive and I feel it was more forgiving of such treatment. No longer FF owner but still interested. Present car Jaguar XE
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Can't even imagine why anyone would do this - I have seen some wrecked expensive parts from doing this. Really, in a car like this, do you need to try and save a few quid by pouring that into your tank???

Surely if you have gone to the trouble and expense of buying a FF, SURELY, you can afford to put the right fuel in it?

Injectors and pumps are VERY expensive to replace - don't risk it, you WILL something eventually.

We used to have a 'Hall of Fame' shelf at my old workplace - it was stacked full of stuffed injectors and pumps from modern engines where the owner had tried to save a few bucks. We would show them to people who thought it was a good idea - it soon changed their minds.

As mentioned, older mechanical engines will be fine, modern, common rail, high tolerance fuel systems WILL NOT!!!

dumb, dumb, dumb....

I guess yer no an advocate on using veggie in the RR then?

Ace to have diferent points of view.
And informative as to why no.
No I dinae buy the RR to watch the pennies on fuel thats for sure.
I do like to throw in some veg when warm enough but not much.

Thanx.

BOFA Made in Scotland frae 'Girders'

Hi Bofa, no I don't have a high opinion of the stuff. Seen too many parts wrecked because of this. I'm sure there are people out there that say it's fine, and it is your choice who you listen to.

Modern, common rail diesels have far tighter tolerances in their injectors and pumps than older mechanical injection systems. I believe the molecules of veggie oil can be too large to properly lubricate all the necessary parts and things tend to stick together due to friction - and never again unstick. Also, both Veggie oil and Bio diesel are hydroscopic, and the water absorbed into them will lead to rapid wear of the fuel system parts.

Advocates of the stuff who have never had issues will no doubt contradict this, and that is great if they never have had an issue, but I used to work for a major Diesel engine manufacturer, and I have seen the evidence that suggests otherwise. Even when the customer denies using veggie oil (or bio diesel) a fuel sample sent to the Lab would always find them out. When confronted with the evidence, they all come clean. Most were after a warranty claim - non succeeded...

As I said - your choice...

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Can't even imagine why anyone would do this - I have seen some wrecked expensive parts from doing this. Really, in a car like this, do you need to try and save a few quid by pouring that into your tank???

Surely if you have gone to the trouble and expense of buying a FF, SURELY, you can afford to put the right fuel in it?

Injectors and pumps are VERY expensive to replace - don't risk it, you WILL something eventually.

We used to have a 'Hall of Fame' shelf at my old workplace - it was stacked full of stuffed injectors and pumps from modern engines where the owner had tried to save a few bucks. We would show them to people who thought it was a good idea - it soon changed their minds.

As mentioned, older mechanical engines will be fine, modern, common rail, high tolerance fuel systems WILL NOT!!!

dumb, dumb, dumb....

I agree fully

The internet is as we all know full of opinion and short on corroborated facts but this makes good reading;
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I used to put used chip fat in my golf gt tdi with no problems. It was refined by a guy who ran a small fuel business and talking to him, he said he used to add something to it to thin it out as it was too thick in its original form. He gave me a sticker for the inside of the car to show any customs check that tax had been paid on it. He had a proper diesel forecourt style pump to dispense the fuel.

At the time, it was around half the price of diesel and used to smell like McDonald's at the back of the car!