January 2010 that was...


JJ

5.0 wrote:

robjp wrote:

Then again, why on earth does such a vehicle need such enormous brakes - they aren't supposed to be driven like a sports car !

For my safety I quite like to be able to stop in a hurry when travelling on the motorway at 70mph. This is something the L322 has never been terribly good at compared to other large luxury vehicles or SUVs although the 2010+ models were much better than the earlier ones

MY14 already has quite a few changes taking place...look at the other thread. Main changes:

- New badges
- New RSE software
- New RSE remote
- New colours and new options
- New supercharged 3.0 (although I doubt this will make the UK market as specs are between TDV6 and SDV8)

Trommel wrote:

5.0 wrote:

robjp wrote:

Then again, why on earth does such a vehicle need such enormous brakes - they aren't supposed to be driven like a sports car !

For my safety I quite like to be able to stop in a hurry when travelling on the motorway at 70mph. This is something the L322 has never been terribly good at compared to other large luxury vehicles or SUVs although the 2010+ models were much better than the earlier ones

The size of the brakes is, within reason, irrelevant for single stops - bigger ones are just better at getting rid of heat generated so they can stop repeatedly without overheating. If your standard brakes can bring the wheels to the point of lock-up (or triggering of ABS), it's the tyres that are limiting how hard you can stop.

Autobiography wrote:

MY14 already has quite a few changes taking place...look at the other thread. Main changes:

- New badges
- New RSE software
- New RSE remote
- New colours and new options
- New supercharged 3.0 (although I doubt this will make the UK market as specs are between TDV6 and SDV8)

And stop/start technology on the 4.4 and 5.0. Can't imagine why this wasn't available from launch!

I find LR's recent habit of making material changes almost every new model year to vehicles quite annoying. I can't imagine even the Americans and the Chinese being conned into replacing their cars every year! Why they cant just do one mid life change/upgrade like most other manufacturers I don't know. I can remember an early L405 video with Gerry Mcgovern saying it was a policy to regularly update and not to give everything up front. One can only hope that one of the things they have got in the immediate pipeline is to replace the multimedia interface - like in the next year before I get mine

5.0 wrote:

The greater the surface area of pad and disc in contact the greater the friction and therefore retardation. Larger brakes result in faster braking and better brake feel. When you stand on the anchors on the motorway the ABS doesn't kick in straight away does it? Sure the tyres are important as well as the brakes in aiding the stopping distance but they are not the only thing limiting the stopping distance. For example, take an L322 2010+ with the same wheels and tyres versus one older than this and the stopping distance is less. This is purely down to the brakes as everything else remains the same.

Trommel wrote:

5.0 wrote:

The greater the surface area of pad and disc in contact the greater the friction and therefore retardation. Larger brakes result in faster braking and better brake feel. When you stand on the anchors on the motorway the ABS doesn't kick in straight away does it? Sure the tyres are important as well as the brakes in aiding the stopping distance but they are not the only thing limiting the stopping distance. For example, take an L322 2010+ with the same wheels and tyres versus one older than this and the stopping distance is less. This is purely down to the brakes as everything else remains the same.

Coefficient of friction between the tyre and the road alone dictates how quickly you are able to stop if your brakes are capable of reaching the point of tyre lock-up.

Greater leverage from larger diameter discs may theoretically mean you can apply maximum braking effort more quickly, but I doubt it would ever be noticeable. Obviously there are many variables - brake assist, ABS settings, pad compounds and so on.

Brake feel is a different matter.

5.0 wrote:

Agree with the point on the tyres entirely but on a dry motorway at speed you slam on the brakes on a 2010 with the same size tires versus a 2006 say and you will stop faster. This is down to brakes because you get more braking effort before the point of lock up and it is very noticeable. LR even made a point of this in marketing material for the 2010 supercharged upgrade.

The MY changes bug the hell out of me too as well. They are too extreme IMHO for a simple model year change. I get mid-life cycle changes but it really annoyed me that they changed the grille, side vents, handles, badging, and bodykit a few months after I purchased my 11MY Autobiography.

- New supercharged 3.0 (although I doubt this will make the UK market as specs are between TDV6 and SDV8)

Autobiography, I know it may sound silly but what if they droped the 4.4 for the 3.0 supercharged?
I got the first facelift MY 2010 with the 3.6 and the following MY 2011 was the 4.4....just saying

JJ

Java Jungle wrote:

- New supercharged 3.0 (although I doubt this will make the UK market as specs are between TDV6 and SDV8)

Autobiography, I know it may sound silly but what if they droped the 4.4 for the 3.0 supercharged?
I got the first facelift MY 2010 with the 3.6 and the following MY 2011 was the 4.4....just saying

JJ

5.0


JJ

hello everyone..

i'm getting my L405 really soon. but i have one thing to make sure, is supercharged engine really worth rather than 4.4 SDV8 ??

i know that 4.4 SDV8 is a very powerful and quality engine but I assume it cant be feel the same as supercharged.

Considering that in my country supercharged is about 20K EUR more than SDV8. I need some advise people who drove both, would it be worth to go for supercharged?? Just Love Cars..!!

patron_123 wrote:

I need some advise people who drove both, would it be worth to go for supercharged??

I drove all three engines back to back for a full day.

The SDV6 and SDV8 experiences are quite different. (anyone thinking about this, go for the SDV8, if you can)

The S/C is really above it all Patron_123, if you can srare an extra 20 K€ right away and do not care about the massive depreciation (and having to fill up twice as often) go for it !

Realistically though, I would really order the SDV8, go all in with the Autobiography and still save a few thousands for a nice trip with the Rangie to the Alps or Monaco.

Enjoy. l=Oo\________/oO=l l:OolΞΞΞΞΞΞΞloO:l

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It would be the 4.4 TDV8 for me everytime and if you can save €20k then that's even better