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JUst saw this posted on the D3 site.

Pleased to see my Nokian WR G2's rated higher than the Vredesteins.....

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2011-...e-Test.htm

I've ordered the GoodYears to go on my new wheels (arriving tomorrow!) simply because they got the best average rating 8/8/8 due to the fact we get more wet, ice and dry cold weather than snow. Worked out quite cheap and gained the missus about 3000 billion Tesco clubcard points in the process ... 
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Interesting the Vred's come in 7th in that test in Gaz's post so how come they are so highly rated here and on the Disco forums ? does the Vred suit our car better than other 4x4's or is it a size or price thing ? 2021 P400 Silicon Silver AB
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Probably a size thing - I know when I bought mine, Vreds were the only winter tyres I could get in 255/50/20.

When comparing, people are only really comparing their summer or all season tyres with the winter ones - I've had my Vreds for 5 winters already and still have about 6mm of tread left, so can't see me ever trying another tyre.

Though it seems there are others now including the Conti's that came 3rd - but the test didn't cover things like outside edge wear which plague their summer tyres on a FFRR.....

not sure of the true value of that test. it tests in dry, wet and snow - no mention of ice at all.

Most tyres with a semi aggresive tread are ok in snow, even mud tyres. Getting going and stopping on snow isn't much of a problem. For me the true test of a winter tyre is road holding and stopping on ice.

It may just be a matter of degree, though the scores suggest a biggish difference. I've not got any experience of these other Winter tyres. When I bought my Vreds (2010) I took advice on various fora and the Vreds were clear favs. Having them on the car in Winter is a revelation compared to summer tyres...but that's not to say I wouldn't find the others in this test even better. But looking at the wear rate this set will be OK for another 2 or 3 years and the game will probably have changed again by then... Mike - MPx

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I think the number of Winter Tyre options is increasing and in the UK it seems to be a lot about there performance in the wet (UK weather...).

Most Winter Tyres will be great in any Snow get here in the UK but they have to perform in dry/wet and possibly summer as well.

Vreds are a great tyre but there are probably better "Winter" performance tyres with the big manufacturers now into the UK market big time.

The Nokians are favourite in Finland and other snow all winter countries but then they don't see a lot of tarmac!

I will report how well they do in the UK on here

jez000 wrote:

Interesting the Vred's come in 7th in that test in Gaz's post so how come they are so highly rated here and on the Disco forums ? does the Vred suit our car better than other 4x4's or is it a size or price thing ?

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How can you rate a winter tyre if you've only tried the one type.

I got the Compomotive wheels fitted today and they fit perfectly, as soon as I can get a pic I'll start a new thread.  
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steptoe wrote:

How can you rate a winter tyre if you've only tried the one type.

This is worth a read for those thinking about Vredestein Wintrac 4 Xtreme's, an E-Mail I recieved from Stuart Jackson who is the MD of Vredestein UK, my question to him reference year round use of Wintrac 4 Xtreme's

Dear Andy,

Thank you very much for your question relating to our Wintrac 4 Extreme product.

You are quite correct in what you say, being a brand leader in winter (or cold weather) tyres, we recommend that a season change is made wherever practical and financially viable for the individual consumer. Why? Simply because this ensures the highest possible performance.

This however, also relies upon the individual making sure that the tyres are inflated to the correct pressure, regularly checking the condition and, of course, using an appropriate driving style in relation to the road conditions.

The SUV market in the UK has seen significant and consistent growth, especially in recent years, and we have seen a massive growth in the popularity of the Wintrac 4 extreme – being the first choice for many SUV drivers. Despite having a dedicated summer SUV and all season SUV derivative (also seeing major growth), the W4X is by far the most popular and one of the biggest selling tyre of its kind.

In fact, the UK is the only one of our subsidiary companies that has a demand for the tyre all year round. We have special production runs to be able to cope with the demand.

We have countless SUV drivers who fit this tyre for all year round purposes and it performs. If you consider the amount of wet weather we experience, combined with temperatures at 7 degrees and below (not to mention the need for self-cleaning properties), this tyre design will offer you additional performance characteristics when you need them.

In the last couple of months alone, we have delivered over 25,000 units, most of which will be used all year round.

In answer to the suggestion that winter tyres wear quicker in summer; this may have been more relevant years back when the product was much less technical than it is now. With the technology that’s built into the modern product this is much less likely to be the case. But that can also depend on individual driving style. Under normal circumstances you would see little difference.
We are often asked about increased use of fuel if using winter tyres through the summer months. You shouldn’t see a significant difference provided you maintain the proper pressure, checked monthly. In fact, running a summer tyres at lower pressures than recommended will actually use more fuel.
I must stress that fitting winter tyres to the drive wheels only, is not an option. Today’s more advanced vehicles means that the vehicle requires and compensates for handling and braking on all four corners. Having winter tyres on only two wheels versus four, can cause significant handling issues and should never be done.
We recommend you get into the habit of checking the pressure and carrying out a visual check for noticeable damage and-or foreign objects in the tyre, at least once per month. You should always use the recommended tyre pressures in line with manufacturers recommendations. And you should also consider changing the pressures if you regularly carry a number of passengers or additional weight. In these circumstances, the tyre pressure usually needs to be increased.
Also remember, that the handling characteristics of individual SUV/4x4 vehicles can easily be compromised. It is recommended that when 4x4 tyres are changed, all four are changed at the same time to ensure consistency and safe handling.
I would much rather see a quality winter tyre used during the summer, than a summer tyre in winter!

Thank you for the significant contribution you make to ensuring the safety message is carried to the consumer.

Kind regards

Stuart Andy....

www.ajstyres.co.uk www.ajs4x4.co.uk

01737 241370.

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