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Bill



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Faraday/newer FFRR

Hi

Just doing my insurance . Question asked do I use faraday pouch.

However I’m pretty sure the new FFRR have an all singing dancing system that means there is no need to do so.

Can. Anyone confirm, & tell me what it’s called/how it works.

Much appreciated.

Bill Filters are in fact so good that in certain circumstances, when the ambient air is already polluted, a diesel car will tend to extract more particles from the air than it emits. Emissions Analytics worked with........etc etc

He who dies with the most toys wins...

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RDR



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The l460 has landrovers new security as does the sport and defender. They are supposed to be better protected against the remote signal hijacking’s that’s common on earlier models. Nothings full proof but I recall seeing some tests which ranked it top of class.

I’m finding insurers don’t seem to distinguish model years so all get tarnished with the same brush. I dont use a faraday pouch I’d ask them how it would impact your premium, they’re pretty cheap. MY23 PHEV HSE
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The new keys go to sleep after 10 minutes and have to be physically moved to wake up, so whether in or out of a pouch can not be read. letters not necessarily in the right order

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Cam-Tech-Craig



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Something new learned each week Thumbs Up Bow down

About time JLR did something to put the keys out of scanning reach... Thumbs Up

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They don’t go to sleep - post-2018 facelift, they use UWB technology, which means the usual method of relay theft doesn’t work (and, consequently, a Faraday pouch isn’t going to help).

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Very interesting stuff... Thumbs Up

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RDR



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A What Car test on various cars including a Discovery with the new tech, they couldn’t intercept and relay the fob signal. The Disco Sport tested without it was driven away in seconds.

https://www.whatcar.com/news/car-theft-gro...ars/n19876 MY23 PHEV HSE
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Bill



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Thanks all.

Seems Faraday pouches are redundant..

Quote. From what car

It is great news that a small number of brands, including Audi, BMW, Ford, Jaguar Land Rover and Mercedes-Benz, have introduced new technology to combat theft.We particularly applaud Jaguar and Land Rover for developing a system that prevents cars from being driven away, although we think this should be rolled out across all of its models. Filters are in fact so good that in certain circumstances, when the ambient air is already polluted, a diesel car will tend to extract more particles from the air than it emits. Emissions Analytics worked with........etc etc

He who dies with the most toys wins...

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Philip wrote:
They don’t go to sleep - post-2018 facelift, they use UWB technology, which means the usual method of relay theft doesn’t work (and, consequently, a Faraday pouch isn’t going to help).


Correct Philip, 'Ultra Wideband' (UWB) technology within the vehicle's Smart Keys. UWB is highly effective against so called 'relay attacks' where thieves intercept and transmit the key fob and vehicle security signals to unlock and start vehicles even when the key is not near the vehicle. UWB allows the vehicle to detect the physical location of the key with extreme accuracy and thus prevents relay attacks from being successful.

But I still fitted a Ghost 2 immobiliser just in case the keys get stolen etc etc 2018 SE SDV8 4.4 Byron Blue

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Or disable the keyless function:

https://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic66550.html

I prefer pressing a button on the key fob. MY23 D350 HSE
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