Hi Guys,

I just bought my first Land Rover last weekend! I've been dreaming about buying one for a couple years now and finally a great deal on an alveston red HSE 4.4L V8 came up and I jumped on it. My plan is to build it up as a camping and mountain bike shuttle machine. First thing to do is to get some AT tires onto it. Not many options in 19", but I found a great deal on some lightly used Goodyear Wrangler ATs in 265/65R18 (31.6" OD) that were taking off a 2023 Ford truck. Now the tough part- getting a set of cheap wheels to suit these tires! There is a set of Disco 2 18s for sale locally which could work, but they will need the center bore cut on a lathe to bring them up to 72.1mm, which is a bit of a pain (sounds like they would need new wheel nuts too @ about $200/set!). There are tons of good deals on X5 wheels around though. I know I will need new lug nuts to go with the BMW wheels, but I have two questions:
1. Are the wheel studs on the L322 long enough to work properly with BMW wheels and cone type wheel nuts? The studs on the LR are quite short at around 30mm. I'd like to have at least 20mm of thread engagement between the studs and the lug nuts.
2. Will the 0.5mm center bore mismatch cause any issues? BMW is 72.6mm and LR is 72.1mm

My other option is just to ditch the idea of the 265/65R18 and get a set of Toyo Open Country AT3 in 255/60R19, which is a 31" tire, but the cost is about double.
Thanks in advance

Hi, There's a very good reason why there's lots of used BMW wheels around, it's because they're not very tough.

Even on normal roads here in the UK they're renown for splitting on just a pot hole on a paved road so I doubt you'd get far off road to be honest. I went through 3 myself, not cracks or chips, split totally.

I'd imagine a reasonable engineering firm would be able to ream out the centres easily enough, but then you've got the cost, the hassle etc. and what strength have you taken out of the rim in the process, so probably better off looking for a proper set of RR wheels.

I'd suggest just shopping around for some offroad tyres for your 19" rims and save yourself a load of stress, you never know, someone near you might well have a set of 18s they want to get rid of to swap for your 19s.

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WheelNut wrote:

First thing to do is to get some AT tires onto it. Not many options in 19"

How many options do you need?

General Grabber AT3 255/55/19. 'Nuff said!!

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My big constraint here is budget really. We just had a newborn in November, and my wife is on maternity leave for the year which leaves us with a much reduced budget. I found this Range Rover for only $2000 CAD The challenge as set out by the household budget officer (my wife!) is that my budget is limited to the amount of money my mountain bike will sell for (about $5000). So, I've got about $3000 to work with. A set of brand new 19" AT tires will run about $1800, which burns up a lot of budget! The used tire and rim idea will total under $1000 if it is possible.

I've been scouring the internets for a while today and it seems like the only real impediment to BMW wheel fitment is stud length. The studs on the L322 are only 20-25mm in length. Minimum thread engagement for an M14x1.5 bolt/nut is 1.5x the diameter of the thread (21mm). This means that with acorn type lug nuts there is no way in hell you'll get that much thread engagement as the BMW wheels won't be counterbored that deep. Maybe a guy would get 10mm of thread engagement. Maybe I should take a wheel off my E90 330i and a wheel off the Rangey and have a test fit look when I change my FR suspension height sensor this weekend. The wheel on my BMW doesn't have a high enough load rating wheel, but it will at least give an indication of what an X5 wheel might be like.

General has discontinued their 19" AT tires with the introduction of the AT3's successor the ATx.

So far the only 19" AT tire I've seen available here in Canada is the Toyo Open Country AT3, which is pretty highly rated tire, so it would be a good option. They do cost $360/each though. I'm just hoping to spend a bit less money is all! And I do want to go up in diameter by an inch at least. A little wider would be nice too, but that's mostly just because it would look cool.

I fitted 17" BMW X5 rims to my D4 using long shank nuts which provided the required 14mm thread engagement (ie no shorter engagement than the stud diameter) to be legal here. The nuts were sourced from Brandsport in the USA. I don't know if I've got the pitch correct but https://www.brandsport.com/grla-68148.html are the style that I used.
Note that these nuts were used on a D4 which uses the same original nuts as the later L322. I have 19" D4 rims on my MY12 L322 fitted with GG AT3 255/60R19.

Yes! Amazing. That is exactly what I was hoping would exist somewhere. They aren't even overpriced either! Thank you for the excellent tip Graeme. Okay, the ones you linked to are not in stock, but the terminology for this sort of nut is Extended Thread or "ET" for short and I have now found some other manufacturers and sources for them. Amazon carries some that should work.

Now my wheel budget is looking pretty good.
Tires- Used 265/65R18 Goodyear Wrangler AT $350
Wheels- Used BMW X5 Style 209 $250
Lugnuts- M14x1.5 Bulge ET $45
Hubcentric rings 72.6 to 74.1mm $30
Mounting and balancing: $150
Total: $825

Compare that to new tires on my existing rims
Tires: Toyo AT3 255/60R19 $350x4=$1400
Mounting and balancing: $150
Total: $1550

Just a thought, but if you did manage to get wheels off a BMW X5 to fit by machining them, would that not invalidate your insurance? And if you did inform the Insurance Company I suspect that your premiums would increase, potentially wiping out any cost savings on the tyres?

Personally I wouldn't use any wheels other than genuine LR, especially if you're going to be carrying your family around in it. NOt worth the risk in my view.

If you must have AT tyres then just hunt around and wait for a set of part worn 19". I can't imagine they'd be any different in price to those 18" tyres you're looking at and will avoid all the faffing around. 2021 D350 Fifty Edition - Carpathian Grey
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PaulTyrer wrote:

Just a thought, but if you did manage to get wheels off a BMW X5 to fit by machining them, would that not invalidate your insurance? And if you did inform the Insurance Company I suspect that your premiums would increase, potentially wiping out any cost savings on the tyres?

So you want to put your wife and new born in a car with incorrect and substantially weaker wheels and drive about....

Good luck and god bless your family....  Pete
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2012 L322 Autobiography 5.0 Supercharged Ipanema Sand Sold
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Haylands- I haven't bought any wheels yet. I suppose you know exactly where to find the official load ratings of BMW E70 X5 rims then? If they really can't stand up to the requirements of the RR then I won't be using them.

Even a BMW X5 is far far lighter than an L322, so I would also worry about the toughness. I'd say you might be better looking for L322 20 inch alloys, there always seemed to me to be more tyres available in 20 than 19, and the big wheel arches on the L322 still allows a decent bit of tyre sidewall even on the bigger rims 1993 Range Rover Classic 3.9 Vogue
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2007 BMW X5 V8 (E70) curb weight is 5335Lbs.
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The Range Rover is rated to tow 7716Lbs and has a payload of 1360Lbs. GVWR is 6834Lbs.
The BMW is rates to tow 6000Lbs and has payload of 1202Lbs. GVWR is 6537Lbs.
GVWR difference is under 5%.

Pretty darn close if you ask me. I suppose I could give myself a new GVWR rating to match the X5 if I end up getting X5 wheels. Payload capacity would still be 1065Lbs then(6537-5472=1065Lbs).

The newer X5 (F15) has a GVWR of 6550Lbs so wheels from that generation would be pretty close too.

I have a line on some LR 18s but they are a three hour journey away. Maybe something closer will pop up or maybe I can get them shipped for a not totally unreasonable price somehow. 2006 Range Rover 4.4L Gas
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It's not just the weights of them, it's the fact that the RR is designed for "heavy" off roading, the BMW is a soft roader and isn't intended for serious off road use, it doesn't even have a low box...!!!

I used the early 18" alloys on fatty offroader and they took everything I could throw at them, which was a lot, so if I were you I'd take a road trip and pick them up...  Pete
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Goodyear Duratrac 255/55R19 are the LR homologated off road tyres for 19" wheels, can you not get them in Canada? Like others on here I would not consider fitting BMW wheels, modified or not. Only Range Rovers since 1988