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JayGee



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Orkney Grey
Revisiting the throttle elbow seal on the 4.4TDv8

After doing the O ring mod last year I'd noticed it was still leaking so after taking it apart and measuring everything I'm not convinced the O ring mod is a fix. The 'nose' of the TB housing is 81mm dia and the inner dia of the elbow is 90mm so it idealy needs O rings 80mm inside dia and 5mm thick to seal between the TB nose and plastic elbow. Something like this may work
https://simplybearings.co.uk/shop/product_..._id=515248
or these
https://simplybearings.co.uk/shop/Seals-O-...er+O-Rings
Also the slots for the OE seal retaining ring are likley a source of leaks so as I'd removed this I wrapped some PTFE tape around the groove and then put 4 of the O rings in there to seal it but it could be done also with a zip tie. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

Post #692861 17th May 2024 4:40pm
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SpitfireS



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Germany 2012 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.4 V8 Santorini Black

The metal retainer - at least mine - doesn't look like to be made of strong spring metal.
IOW it bends out of shape easily.
When you fit the metal retainer without elbow, do all the tabs sit snug in the groove 360 degrees?
No wiggle?
If not, bend it back in shape (smaller diameter) to make sure all the tabs click in.
Thing is, in my opinion, bending it in shape and testing it and then removing it bends it out of shape again.

I've tried fitting the metal retainer in the elbow before mounting the elbow but that didn't work for me.
The workshop manual shows to remove the retainer as step 1 and doesn't show to fit it before mounting the elbow, they say 'assembly is in reverse order' iow push the retainer in last. 2012 4.4TDV8
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Post #692892 18th May 2024 10:53am
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JayGee



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Orkney Grey

I adjusted the retainer and it fits fine - a bit fiddly but if you do itwith the elbow off the car you can see when it's right as all the ends stick through the slots evenly. If you are worrid about this comming off it would be easy to put a large zip tie or compression clamp around it. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

Post #692895 18th May 2024 12:09pm
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JayGee



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Orkney Grey

This should fix it.....

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Links to the parts
https://amzn.eu/d/bMSa9Bg
https://amzn.eu/d/dfGYRaP
https://amzn.eu/d/5V8mmkj
I would buy heavier duty jubilee clips though as these are pretty flimsy so I'll be replacing the one nearest the TB soon.
You need to shorten the narrow end by 10-12mm
It's tight but the wide end will push over the raised double ridge which is where you put the larger clamp. Remove the existing seal and retaining ring and push in 4 of the 5mm O rings and coat with some grease so it slides on otherwise it will not go

(To be fair these O rings will probably do the job on their own). Put another ring on the rear groove to seal the 4 cutouts.
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It's a good idea to degrease the area around this and the inside of the reducer to acheive maximum friction. I may still machine up a split ring and flange with a grooved surface to replace the O ring to provide a better clamping surface.
WARNING - the extra size means fitting is very tight fitting this with regards to the fragile T connector. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

Post #693033 20th May 2024 3:53pm
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kevinp



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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Autobiography TDV8 Santorini Black

Blimey, I know the hose is expensive at £217, but don't you think it's time to admit defeat and just buy the proper part? Considering the price of other parts for our cars it's not the most expensive of items.
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Post #693049 21st May 2024 6:30am
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JayGee



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Orkney Grey

As I said the bigger O rings at <£7 would probably do the job just as well as long as you can seal the sealing ring retaining holes but as I'd bought the coupler I thought I'd fit it anyway. Also the standard seal is not very effective and as mine has a damaged TB 'nose' it would not seal properly anyway. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

Post #693055 21st May 2024 10:07am
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JayGee



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Orkney Grey

Should have waited until the T bolt hose clip arrived.........

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1/2 way down the M1 and a muffled pop and restricted perf warning I knew instantly what had happened. Refited it with the spring clip, OE seal + 2 of the 5mm thick O rings and was on my way again. Never checked the boost before but the GAP tool was showing nearly 1.5 bar ( 2.5 absolute) which is quite a lot so no wonder. Also no wonder the OE seal leaks. 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

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PeteT80



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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue TDV8 Santorini Black

I replaced mine with a new genuine hose back in February, was £207 but if it lasts as long as the original did then it’s worth doing it properly. Also I’m not worrying about it leaking with a diy fix.

Post #693190 23rd May 2024 2:33pm
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