Phil. wrote:

What I haven’t told them yet is that I’m not taking any of their finance, which means the RR is mine and they can’t stop me selling it on if/when I decide to. I’m certainly won’t be PX’ing it with them next time, they’ve lost that future business at least.

Only decision now is whether to place my next order with them or a competitor. I’ve told them I’m contemplating this and a nil response so far.

The problem is that like it or not the dealers have the upper hand, as long as there is an 18 month waiting list and more buyers than cars, anyone who wants one will have to put up with whatever crap the dealers/manufacturers dish out. The only leverage we ever had as buyers was the threat of walking away which is no threat when demand is greater than supply.
The whole car buying experience has turned into a chore for me and I can't see it ever changing again now that building to order seems to becoming the norm - this isn't just a JLR issue but they do seem to be able to make a particularly good ar$e of it.

I've signed the agreement and then sold my car via SOR with the original dealer when it was a couple of months old for a decent mark up so the rules don't apply using this method. If I'd sold via an independant dealer then the rules apply.
I have also ordered a replacement car through them without issues. Current fleet:
2020 McLaren 600LT Spider
2020 Mercedes C300 Cabriolet
2023 PHEV 440 SE
1992 Lotus Esprit turbo
2019 Alpine A110

AndyS doing a SOR is fine as you are selling back to the original dealer which apparently is acceptable

It does however assist the dealer in making a profit and inflating the used LR car market  "UNDERSTEER" ----is when you hit the fence with the front of the car.
"OVERSTEER" ------is when you hit the fence with the rear of the car.
"HORSEPOWER" ----is how fast you hit the fence.
"TORQUE" -----------is how far you take the fence with you.

Interesting RDR. Vertu have recently bought the Helston Garages group that include my dealer that I have known for 40 years. Have dealt with the same salesman for nearly 20 years, will be interesting what he says and if he stays. letters not necessarily in the right order

Japseroony wrote:

AndyS doing a SOR is fine as you are selling back to the original dealer which apparently is acceptable

It does however assist the dealer in making a profit and inflating the used LR car market

They charged me over 3 times the normal SOR fee too.  Current fleet:
2020 McLaren 600LT Spider
2020 Mercedes C300 Cabriolet
2023 PHEV 440 SE
1992 Lotus Esprit turbo
2019 Alpine A110

Japseroony,

To clarify, I’m not thinking of selling mine soon just prefer it not to be financed by JLR when I do. MY23 D350 HSE
On my 7th RR plus various other JLR vehicles

I was barrelling along the motorway when passed by an L460. I said to SWMBO "thats the new Range Rover", "don't think your getting one of those ugly things" she said, I've clearly got some work to do.  Geoff

Geoff

Take her out for a test drive…. Mine fell for it straight away . I had one for a couple of hours. Filters are in fact so good that in certain circumstances, when the ambient air is already polluted, a diesel car will tend to extract more particles from the air than it emits. Emissions Analytics worked with........etc etc

He who dies with the most toys wins...

Phil. wrote:

Japseroony,

To clarify, I’m not thinking of selling mine soon just prefer it not to be financed by JLR when I do.

Hi Phil, makes absolutely no difference to me what you do with it and if you can and do sell it on for a profit then good for you, was just highlighting the potential issues was all  "UNDERSTEER" ----is when you hit the fence with the front of the car.
"OVERSTEER" ------is when you hit the fence with the rear of the car.
"HORSEPOWER" ----is how fast you hit the fence.
"TORQUE" -----------is how far you take the fence with you.

cass wrote:

The problem is that like it or not the dealers have the upper hand, as long as there is an 18 month waiting list and more buyers than cars, anyone who wants one will have to put up with whatever crap the dealers/manufacturers ……..

It appears that Defender delivery times are reducing as are their premiums. I expect this will the case for FFRR/RRS in the next 18 months or so, at which point the dealers will face completely different market conditions. MY23 D350 HSE
On my 7th RR plus various other JLR vehicles

253 L460s for sale on AutoTrader at the moment, anecdotal evidence from this forum regarding builds and the increasing number I am seeing around suggests to me that the premiums will disappear in a lot less than 18 months. Also, the interest rates on PCPs is curbing demand for all new cars.

5.0 wrote:

253 L460s for sale on AutoTrader at the moment, anecdotal evidence from this forum regarding builds and the increasing number I am seeing around suggests to me that the premiums will disappear in a lot less than 18 months. Also, the interest rates on PCPs is curbing demand for all new cars.

And every one of them above list with most well above list so you either bit the above list bullet or you pay a deposit and wait the 18 months  "UNDERSTEER" ----is when you hit the fence with the front of the car.
"OVERSTEER" ------is when you hit the fence with the rear of the car.
"HORSEPOWER" ----is how fast you hit the fence.
"TORQUE" -----------is how far you take the fence with you.

5.0 wrote:

253 L460s for sale on AutoTrader at the moment, anecdotal evidence from this forum regarding builds and the increasing number I am seeing around suggests to me that the premiums will disappear in a lot less than 18 months. Also, the interest rates on PCPs is curbing demand for all new cars.