I'm glad you and your parents have had a positive experience David. It's good to hear your side also.

I guess maybe if I was retired and had a bit more time, or maybe if I just wasn't so busy, then it might work for me.

Today I was looking at my watch just waiting for a level crossing to open, as I had a 250 mile journey ahead of me and this was within the first 10 miles. I know I'm a large part of my own problem and I probably need to slow down a bit, but right now I need journey's to be as straightforward as possible.

It does sound like the car works extremely well for your family David, and I'm sure it will for many others.

I remain hopeful that once the process of travelling and charging becomes easier and requires less thought / effort, I'll also be able to enjoy it.

I agree with that point.

If I were travelling for work and doing a couple of hundred miles each way in a day without an overnight stop, unless I was ceratin there was a charger at my destination or hotel I’d be taking the Range Rover as I just couldn’t be bothered sitting around for an hour.

David. 2002 4.6 Vogue SE - Alveston Red with Lightstone Leather
2012 Range Rover 5.0 SC Autobiography in Indus Silver with Jet/Ivory Interior
2012 Range Rover 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography in Baltic Blue with Sand Interior

JayGee wrote:

EV's are in their infancy and what problems exist now can't be predicted to exist in future models or as a reason to stick with ICE's for ever. As consumers we won't have absolute freedom of choice now as we can't buy new diesel engine cars that don't have DPF's or petrol cars without CAT's.

cass wrote:

SamThomas wrote:

It does point out a serious flaw in EV design though & that's the inability to move a completely dead EV to a save place or even to move it out of the way of other vehicles. Just suppose in the case quoted the dead EV blocked access to an emergency vehicle ?

I never pictured myself defending EV's but this issue is just the same with almost any modern car with an auto gearbox or electric handbrake.
Most owners wouldn't have a clue about the emergency release system.

SamThomas wrote:

JayGee wrote:

EV's are in their infancy and what problems exist now can't be predicted to exist in future models or as a reason to stick with ICE's for ever. As consumers we won't have absolute freedom of choice now as we can't buy new diesel engine cars that don't have DPF's or petrol cars without CAT's.

Bit of a politicians answer - maybe, I should have been a bit more specific - we should be free to choose the fuel that propels our vehicles - Electricity, Hydrogen, Petroleum Spirit, Gas Oil, WHY.

Why you comment on not being able to buy a diesel without a DPF or a petrol without a CAT is a bit like commenting that we cannot buy a car without headlights.

If you feel like that JayGee why are you driving a car now that is doing exactly that? You are free to make that decision right now but you are still doing it so what gives you the right to say to others what they should do?

I'm retired and tempted by an I Pace. Just been reading the world of Twitter, seems EVs values are taking a bit of a pummeling? Not that I've seen as there are still the same old I Pace for sale as have been over the last few months.

JayGee wrote:

SamThomas wrote:

JayGee wrote:

EV's are in their infancy and what problems exist now can't be predicted to exist in future models or as a reason to stick with ICE's for ever. As consumers we won't have absolute freedom of choice now as we can't buy new diesel engine cars that don't have DPF's or petrol cars without CAT's.

Bit of a politicians answer - maybe, I should have been a bit more specific - we should be free to choose the fuel that propels our vehicles - Electricity, Hydrogen, Petroleum Spirit, Gas Oil, WHY.

Why you comment on not being able to buy a diesel without a DPF or a petrol without a CAT is a bit like commenting that we cannot buy a car without headlights.

Why should you be free to pollute the air that I can't choose to breath?

kevinp wrote:

If you feel like that JayGee why are you driving a car now that is doing exactly that? You are free to make that decision right now but you are still doing it so what gives you the right to say to others what they should do?

There are some useful Youtube contributions on the practicalities of EV use. 'Highland Rider' (a Guardian reader based near Inverness) has posted several on his BMW i4, the conclusion being that they are ideal for those able to charge at home or work and who do local journeys, but too much hassle and more expensive for those needing to travel longer distances and/or dependent on public chargers. He also makes the point that the number of electric cars on the road is growing faster than the number of charge points, so things are apt to get worse rather than better in the short term. Incidentally Scotland is not great for charger availability, or for those that do exist working (confirmed by BBC Scotland). There seems also a problem in getting Scottish Power Networks to provide grid connections, my local Shell garage was putting in charge points but these are subject to long delays due to component shortages and SPN waiting lists. HR is trading his i4 and going to a 5 Series PHEV.

Harry Metcalfe of Harry's Garage has several tests of electric cars, he has his own windmill and fast charging in his garage. He concludes that Tesla infrastructure is superior, but that outside local area use the practicalities favour PHEV over electric. He has a 405 PHEV for day to day use. He also looks at the environmental side of things and makes the point that much depends on the source of the electricity, e.g. from windmills or hydro is helpful, from gas/coal/wood power station less so. Only Range Rovers since 1988

SamThomas wrote:

A "completely dead" modern car can be effectively jump started into enough life to release handbrakes/get gearboxes into neutral.
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The iPace isn’t big enough, I don’t fit! Slopey aerodynamic windscreens don’t assist!

That aside , as mentioned before I’m sure the FFRR will come with a 400/500 mile claimed range meaning 300/350. MERCEDES tested a new saloon and had 700 miles plus out of it.

Buying a car will become like the computer purchase of twenty years ago, should I /U wait for the bigger memory /range, or jump in now?

I really believe stopping the sale of ICE in 203) is a big mistake, the R&D into cleaner , better and more efficient engines also stops … Filters are in fact so good that in certain circumstances, when the ambient air is already polluted, a diesel car will tend to extract more particles from the air than it emits. Emissions Analytics worked with........etc etc

He who dies with the most toys wins...

kevinp wrote:

If you feel like that JayGee why are you driving a car now that is doing exactly that? You are free to make that decision right now but you are still doing it so what gives you the right to say to others what they should do?

SamThomas wrote:

JayGee wrote:

SamThomas wrote:

JayGee wrote:

EV's are in their infancy and what problems exist now can't be predicted to exist in future models or as a reason to stick with ICE's for ever. As consumers we won't have absolute freedom of choice now as we can't buy new diesel engine cars that don't have DPF's or petrol cars without CAT's.

Bit of a politicians answer - maybe, I should have been a bit more specific - we should be free to choose the fuel that propels our vehicles - Electricity, Hydrogen, Petroleum Spirit, Gas Oil, WHY.

Why you comment on not being able to buy a diesel without a DPF or a petrol without a CAT is a bit like commenting that we cannot buy a car without headlights.

Why should you be free to pollute the air that I can't choose to breath?

& of course there is no pollution from EV's are there ?
What about coal burnt in China to produce electricity to produce parts for EV's then ?
What about tyre dust from EV's ?
What about the smoke from EV's when they catch fire ?

I could go on but I feel I could be wasting my time with someone incapable of answering questions, unless it's another question.

What about people who smoke/vape/fart in public.

please go back on topic or i'll lock this thread.. ... - .- -.




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