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JayGee



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Orkney Grey

Mine was delayed start, insufficient cooling, intermittent cooling and when very hot it was actually heating up the air! 2012 TDV8 Vogue (L322)

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Mfcetin



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Germany 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Alaska White

In order to replace my Radiator, I just had my AC de-gassed. I am going to replace the AC compressor as well as I have this problem that ac blows cold intermittently.
I had my AC serviced last year to make sure its the compressor.
After one year, the shop evacuated only 550 gr of refrigerant.
Local mechanic says its normal, this doesn’t mean there is a leak in Ac system.
My question to you guys, is it really normal?
Quick google search suggests that this not. Still interested in your experience.
Any o-ring or something to replace as Im taking the front of the car apart to reduce the leak?
Any ideas how to detect leaks diy at home?
Thanks all for your responses 2011 Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8

Post #691303 26th Apr 2024 6:04am
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Danb_220_2019



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Fuji White

If not used regularly, AC systems do leak refrigerant - which is why in the UK at least people are constantly selling cars that 'just need the AC regassed' because they've never turned it on.

Many people don't understand that AC is 'Air CONDITIONING' not 'Air COOLING' and therefore it's not just useful in the summer. Drive along any UK road in wet weather and witness the people invisible behind their fogged up windows in cars with AC fitted that they're not using.

So, people don't turn it on, seals in the system dry up and shrink (as they are lubricated by the oil borne by the refrigerant/oil charge which also in most modern PAG lubricants contains seal conditioning components) and refrigerant and oil leak past the seals, the AC stops working, and the seals end up never sealing properly again because they're too far gone to recover.

Thus starts the endless 'it just needs regassing' cycle.

Case in point - I had an old Volvo V40 I bought off a mate of mine. He'd had it from new in Germany in the mid 90s and brought it back when he was posted. Like me, he never turns the AC off. When I sold that car in 2013 it was getting on for 20 years old and the AC had in that time been recharged a grand total of once when the condenser was changed sometime in the early 2000s. Other than that the rest of the system and hence its seals was all still good due to regular use. 2012 (L322) 4.4TDV8 Vogue SE, RSE, Fuji White over Arabica.
Previous V8s: BMW 645Ci, P38 4.6, P38 4.0, Merc CL500
Previous others: Honda x1, Volvo x7, Rover x6, BMW x6, Ford x1, Mercedes x2, Skoda x3, VW x2, Renault x2, Citroen x1, Mazda x3, Nissan x1, Audi x3, Kia x1, Fiat x4, Subaru x3, Austin x2, Triumph x2, Jeep x2, Hyundai x2, Lexus x1, Mitsubishi x1, Saab x2... and some others I've forgotten!

Post #691309 26th Apr 2024 7:44am
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garyRR



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The 4.4 TDV8 has a recognised fault with the air con compressor control valve.

It's not about whether A/C has been used or not.

For example, mine worked perfectly sometimes and others not, creating too much pressure on one side of the system. A burst of revs through the compressor would cause the valve to unstick. 2015 Range Rover Autobiography 4.4 SDV8

Post #691314 26th Apr 2024 8:40am
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Mfcetin



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Germany 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Alaska White

Thank you guys for your feedback. Im aware of the issue of ac valve getting stuck. Thats why Im going to replace it, hence I degassed the system.
The amount of gas came out was just surprising knowing that I gassed it last year.
And I always have my ac on but I own this car for one year now, dunno about the previous owner.
So anything I can replace in terms of o-rings etc as Im there already? 2011 Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8

Post #691317 26th Apr 2024 9:32am
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Danb_220_2019



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Fuji White

garyRR wrote:
The 4.4 TDV8 has a recognised fault with the air con compressor control valve.

It's not about whether A/C has been used or not.

For example, mine worked perfectly sometimes and others not, creating too much pressure on one side of the system. A burst of revs through the compressor would cause the valve to unstick.


Indeed it does, but the post I replied to specifically asked whether having a smaller weight of charge in the system was indicative of a leak - which can indeed be 'about whether A/C has been used or not'. 2012 (L322) 4.4TDV8 Vogue SE, RSE, Fuji White over Arabica.
Previous V8s: BMW 645Ci, P38 4.6, P38 4.0, Merc CL500
Previous others: Honda x1, Volvo x7, Rover x6, BMW x6, Ford x1, Mercedes x2, Skoda x3, VW x2, Renault x2, Citroen x1, Mazda x3, Nissan x1, Audi x3, Kia x1, Fiat x4, Subaru x3, Austin x2, Triumph x2, Jeep x2, Hyundai x2, Lexus x1, Mitsubishi x1, Saab x2... and some others I've forgotten!

Post #691515 29th Apr 2024 8:14am
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Mfcetin



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Germany 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Alaska White

Hello everyone,

today I wanted to replace my aux drive beld and ac compressor on my LHD 2011 4.4 TDV8
I managed to take out the fan and schraud, two of the ac bolts and disconnected the bot refrigerant pipes from the old compressor.

I could not manage to even touch the bloody third bolt (the rear one) of the effing compressor.
I followed the ws manual instructions and I did all the steps except for one, which I cannot understand what I need to do. Is this the undertray?



garry's instructions, suggest that I should be able to see that bolt from under the car. but on my car the steering column and other stuff are on the way, I dont think I can see it from below the car.

Any ideas how I could get to that effing bolt? Would removing the steering pump help?
At this stage, I really dont want to put everthing back together and go to a repair shop.

Please help, any tip/ idea is highly appreciated

Cheers
Fatih 2011 Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8

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GraemeS



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Australia 2012 Range Rover Autobiography TDV8 Bournville

That is showing the sump. The 4 bolts across the top screw through the sump into the oil pump which can be accessed from above but the 2 holding the pipe will be much lower so will have to be accessed from below.

Post #691851 3rd May 2024 8:32pm
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Mfcetin



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Germany 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Alaska White

Thank you Greames, i found them and undid them. They secure second aircon pipe.
After 2 hours of battle, I managed to take out the third bolt and the old compressor. Key for me was to first finger that gap and touch and feel the bolt so i could better align the socket with extension. I guess my fingering skills came handy once again 😬 2011 Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8

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Mfcetin



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Germany 2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Alaska White

To put the new compressor in, I removed the pully right to the tensioner next to the ac comp. There is a lot of gung in that area right above the ac comp and steering pump. Is there a leak here? What are the common leaks around this area?

 2011 Vogue SE 4.4 TDV8

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