Bill wrote:

Been keeping my eye on the Ford , taking orders now BUT you can’t see one . Lump of a car 390 mile range . Mustang.

jackcramerr wrote:

I always wondered how P400e feels like to drive. 2.0 seems small engine plus when the charge is depleted.

I agree with your impressions and also I, too, was missing the sunglasses holder from the L322, so I replaced the driver's useless handle with this:




It can be bought quite cheap here:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3267099422...4c4d7bTf7q

a similar holder but a few quid more and its from the UK..

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Auto-Accessorie...Sw--hdDH4P


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I just hook them into the little plastic loop on the top left of the sun visor. Seems quite convenient... There is nothing that can't be fixed with a hammer😜😜
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2010 LR D4 Commercial 2.7 TDV6

CUE99T wrote:

Bill wrote:

Been keeping my eye on the Ford , taking orders now BUT you can’t see one . Lump of a car 390 mile range . Mustang.

My mate is fairly well connected in Ford, let me ask if theres anyway to see one....

Thanks to stan and adara for the sunglasses holder tips

Bill wrote:

CUE99T wrote:

Bill wrote:

Been keeping my eye on the Ford , taking orders now BUT you can’t see one . Lump of a car 390 mile range . Mustang.

My mate is fairly well connected in Ford, let me ask if theres anyway to see one....

Yes thanks; the dealer was well up to a JLR stealership, couldn’t care less....

mikef wrote:

I took delivery of a new L405 RR P400e recently after 3 yrs with a L494 RRS SDV8. The driving experience is a mixed bag so far for me compared to the SDV8. At slow speeds and assuming the car has charge remaining, it is a very serene relaxing drive because the car is mainly in EV mode and even when the charge is zero, the car still drives in hybrid mode (according to the EV display) most of the time and still delivers a very quiet drive. There are two things I don't like. The throttle response is slow from rest although once moving the electric motor provides reasonable shove and the brake pedal feel is inconsistent, I guess due to the regen

When you want to accelerate faster, unless you are very light on the accelerator pedal, the petrol engine cuts in but providing you don't press the pedal too hard, the petrol engine remains relatively subdued. At constant motorway speeds, obviously the petrol engine is running nearly all the time but again it remains relatively quiet and doesnt detract from the drive

The problem comes when the you want brisk acceleration and press the accelerator pedal more firmly. The petrol engine then has to rev hard, becomes quite raucous and it is at that point that you feel this is not how driving a RR should be. I think the L-R engineers have done a good job in terms of suppressing NVH from the engine but there's no hiding the fact that it is a 4 cyl lump. And then there is another issue. If you have battery charge left, the system goes into Boost mode in which the battery and petrol engine together deliver their full 400hp or so and the car actually accelerates satisfyingly briskly. However when there is no charge, there is only the puny petrol engine delivering any power and the acceleration is significantly slower. This can be a problem if you go for an overtake because you never quite know how much power youre going to get

Having said this, the P400e is certainly delivering on economy. I installed fast chargers at home and work and most of my 22 mile commute is done in EV mode which means that I'm getting 100mpg+ sometimes on my commute (according to the L-R Remote app). In contrast on longer journeys I'm lucky to see 25mpg but overall so far I'm averaging about 44mpg which is considerably better than the average of 27mpg I achieved with the RRS SDV8

So am I regretting buying the P400e? The contract hire rate was significantly less than the D300 version (I guess because the residuals are higher), the VED rates are much lower and the fuel consumption is lower. Overall I'm saving my company about £3k a year so from that point of view I don't regret it. Do I miss the SDV8 engine? Yes, I sure do

I think I agree that L-R have missed a trick not installing a 6 cyl petrol or diesel engine in the P400e. I test drove the Cayenne e-hybrid and that is a very engaging car to drive because of it's 3 litre petrol engine (shame about the pathetic 250mm wading depth though). I just hope that L-R come out with PHEV models in the future featuring 6 cyl engines because the 4 cyl engine doesnt really cut it in a RR

You're welcome, be sure to select the correct holder colour, in my case it was ivory...

CUE99T wrote:

Leave that with me, I'll ask tomorrow. Is it the Mustang thats electric?

Vogue wrote:

JLR are muppets - they just lost the best selling attraction of the RR - if they wanted to go down that route why not a hybrid version of the V8 Diesel - now they are just another run of the mill same old same old small displacement V6 - a RR is a luxury 4x4 and needs a decent unstressed, quiet, powerful and smooth engine.

It’s the V8’s that separated it from the everyday 4x4’s and dates right back to the launch of the vehicle in the early 1970’s

A RR should be without compromise - not a watered down that will do because every other maker is putting in silly small engines.

Sorry LR, but a Range Rover without a V8 is not a RR - you have just destroyed the whole ethos of the vehicle - thank god there is still a 5.0 V8 - just !

It's progress? I don't want to lecture, but I do want to remind not to focus on the spec: cylinders or capacity. Focus on the outcomes: power, torque and, crucially, the driving characteristics in the real world.

Take my situation: I would NEVER have bought a 4 cylinder car if you'd asked me over the last 2 decades (last 4 cylinder I owned was a Citroen BX GTi, which I sold in 1995). And now here I am with a Spanky new 4 cylinder car, happy as Larry. It wasn't the cylinders I needed, it was poke and refinement, and here I have it. L405 P400e Autobiography (MY2020)... Silicon Silver / Espresso

I worked in USA a couple of years ago for 10 months or so, I was given a 5 litre V8 Mustang as my hire car. Whilst there it had to have a service, they gave me a 2.3 eco boost Mustang. The 2.3 was quick, really quick but it had to rev and it's exhaust note was not in keeping with the car, number of cylinders does count considerably in my book, a 4 pot in a Rangie simply isnt right. BMW i3 Electric Car
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2006 VW Touareg 3.0 TDi V6

I totally agree with you (but only in the context that trains should be steam trains and recorded music should be on vinyl. Those were the days!)

In all seriousness, 5.0 fatties are superb, iconic, really. But not so good that I don't prefer my wee 4 pot in real world usage. So we can agree to disagree and 5.0 owners have my full respect. The difference between a fatty and a Mustang is a fatty is a place to relax at low revs, with muted (near silent) engine notes so you lose much of the V8 benefit if the smaller engine also has lots of torque and my P400e has more torque than a P525 V8 fatty and from 1000 rpm lower in the rev range. Trust me, they shift. Try one.

I rented a V6 Mustang convertible in the US (3.0? It was in 2007 so whatever they produced back then) and it was awful in literally every regard. Presumably the V8 makes it worthwhile. L405 P400e Autobiography (MY2020)... Silicon Silver / Espresso