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glenhendry



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Australia 2005 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Java Black
Engine noise - clattering - 4.4 vogue 2005

Help fellow gen3 owners ! Engine trouble. Yesterday I started her up and was met with a very loud and scary clattering sound. See video. Sounds like right hand bank at front of engine. Runs and idles fine apart from scary noise. Has oil. Ran fine yesterday. IID tool showed one new fault but has since not reappeared. Cant remember exactly but it was cam drive fail or similar. 2005 vogue 4.4 petrol BMW. 230kkm.

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200AD



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United Kingdom 2002 Range Rover Vogue 4.4 V8 Zambezi Silver

First port of call; check your spark plugs are tight. Mine sounded similar before I fitted a new set in a tearing hurry!

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D3Jon



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Glenhendry,

Vanos (variable cam timing) failure common on the M62 BMW engines - do a quick google it and you'll find examples.

Jon 1992 RR Classic 3.9 efi Vogue
2014 Disco 4 HSE
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Previous: 2011 L322 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE /// 2002 L322 4.4 V8 HSE /// 2009 Discovery 3 2.7 TDV6 XS /// 2004 Defender 90 TD5 /// 1993 110 V8 Snatch Landrover /// 2005 Discovery 3 2.7 TDV6 SE (Aus) /// 1990 110 Isuzu 3.9 County (Aus) /// 1976 Series III Trayback (Aus)

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D3Jon



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For example (second one sounds like yours) - although I agree with 200AD that from the camera position you have it also sounds like a farting loose plug as well!!

https://youtu.be/s229YDypt7E

https://youtu.be/gsRaJpbY_qA

Jon 1992 RR Classic 3.9 efi Vogue
2014 Disco 4 HSE
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Both my fatties now gone...
Previous: 2011 L322 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE /// 2002 L322 4.4 V8 HSE /// 2009 Discovery 3 2.7 TDV6 XS /// 2004 Defender 90 TD5 /// 1993 110 V8 Snatch Landrover /// 2005 Discovery 3 2.7 TDV6 SE (Aus) /// 1990 110 Isuzu 3.9 County (Aus) /// 1976 Series III Trayback (Aus)

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Dolphinboy



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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Vogue TDV8 Atacama Sand

Chain guides

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glenhendry



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Thanks all, you were correct of course.

Took sump off, found plastic from chain guide. Will need to do chain guide replacement. Anyone know where I can hire cam lock tools in Brisbane, Australia?

How do I measure chain to see if it needs to be replaced?

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tb10



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I’ve done this job before and, whilst time consuming, it’s not too bad. I say that given it’s the first engine I’ve ever worked on so it could be argued it was a baptism of fire! However, I’d do it again if the need arose. Personally given the time it takes, just replace the chain and don’t try and save a few dollars. If it subsequently jumps then you’ll be looking at rebuilding heads etc.

Can’t answer the tool question though but try the usual eBay etc.

Good luck and regards

John

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Dolphinboy



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holidaychicken on this forum did a great "how to" so do a search and you will find lots of info about the tools required, steps etc.

Definitely replace all you can while the front is off, Chain, tensioner, Vanos etc.

Good luck. This is £3000 job in UK!!

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glenhendry



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glenhendry wrote:
Thanks all, you were correct of course.

Took sump off, found plastic from chain guide. Will need to do chain guide replacement. Anyone know where I can hire cam lock tools in Brisbane, Australia?

How do I measure chain to see if it needs to be replaced?


Here's a wrap up, a the job is now done. Thanks again for help. Link here: https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l322-range-rove...build.html

I have completed the job. It was huge wrt the number of hours, and there were some tricky bits, but nothing impossible. I ended up with some new tools in the garage. A big thanks to FisherX for the loaner of timing tools. They will get back to you soon.

I decided to buy the Vanos rebuild orings kit and I had to wait FIFTY-SEVEN days for them to arrive, hence the huge delay in the job finalising. Rebuilding the Vanos' was not difficult. Made me feel fuzzy too, but compressing the press was hard work, and the vice and work bench were tested. I did replace the jesus bolt, and the front main seal, it was simple to remove the old one and drift the new one in carefully without the fancy seal removal tool.

All the old gaskets were solid and brittle. No wonder there were leaks. All the connectors and tubes and hoses survived the ordeal. The oil dipstick tube in a total PITA. I could NOT get to the bottom of it to check the oil seal and clamp, and I am worried about that bit. A very very neat trick to hold the new gaskets onto the cam covers while you lower them on at the end of the whole job is to zip tie them to the cam cover (about 25 of them) - then snip them off once they are in place - thanks for that tip.

I turned over the engine 50 times via starter with fuel relay removed and the battery fully charged. Then it started up pretty much straight away when fuel relay reinstallled. It sounded tight and amazingly quiet. I took out 8 lifters and 0 of them squeezed like I had seen in some youtube videos. I couldnt afford to replace them all, and since I had had no lifter noise previously, I left them in.

Timing the engine is not that difficult, and there is plenty of DIY videos. Neither of my Vanos's would beep the closed circuit at full retard with the DMM like the video suggest, but the Besian Systems instructions said that wouldn't always occur. I was confident that I had full CCW retard on the cam so I went ahead anyway. GAS webpage instructions were great: Instructions for the G.A.S. Master Cam Timing Tools for the BMW M62-M62tu Engine | German Auto SolutionsGerman Auto Solutions. All the coolant hoses are easy to relocate, as are fan belts.

I have smooth running, no coolant or oil leaks, with no fault codes initially, but after 10 hours I got "Lambda control adaption faults" on both banks which have not returned since cleared. I suspect fuel map is changing and I should probably clear all the adaptations with new timing belts and new vanos's.

Overall I am very happy. There was very considerable relief when she fired up and ran smooth. I spent $1420 on parts (timing chain guide kit, and vanos rebuild kit), which included ~$200 in tools. Total hours on spanners 70. Research ~22hrs. Someone with more skills or more tools could probably half that. Will be testing it by towing the camper this weekend.

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