So been offerred a pre-reg 2019 murdered out 5.0 SC AB today....115k list.....do you take the Vat off and start there or are we talking 105 like 9% off?

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Not sure what you mean by murdered...


Always easier to go up in price, rather than reducing your first offer....so go for the VAT reduction rounded makes it 95, really rounded as it’s not your spec is 90... they will be swift to tell you if it’s (the deal not the car) is a non starter.


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Ah I meant Black black black.....

I had same thinking Bill. all smug in my new plug!

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It’s probably worth close to list including vat, unfortunately, since avoiding the delivery lead time carries a premium.
Maybe 6% off if the dealer’s desperate. Sure, start low but my instincts are this won’t be a bargain.

So this is not 19.5MY? Meaning Apple CarPlay is not included / was a cost option? That 19MY was about £2k lower list than current 19.5.

cheers for thw 19.5 diff money info.

They are looking at 10k off. all smug in my new plug!

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For a brand new car... I’d say that is not unreasonable if the spec is right for you.

Why “take the VAT off”?

Surely if someone has paid the VAT then the dealer wouldnt be expecting to give you the vat back?

If it was new and it was a deal or something then I get I have to pay the VAT but if its been paid already then why would the asset which is now 2nd hand have any of the VAT applied. surley a igure is assumed that it is now worth less thna the List-VAT figure.

I'm pretty sure if I traded my car in with 50miles that what I would be told. all smug in my new plug!

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ilard wrote:

For a brand new car... I’d say that is not unreasonable if the spec is right for you.

CUE99T wrote:

Surely if someone has paid the VAT then the dealer wouldnt be expecting to give you the vat back?

If it was new and it was a deal or something then I get I have to pay the VAT but if its been paid already then why would the asset which is now 2nd hand have any of the VAT applied. surley a igure is assumed that it is now worth less thna the List-VAT figure.

I'm pretty sure if I traded my car in with 50miles that what I would be told.

The price will be whatever the seller and the prospective buyer agree, but my understanding of the VAT angle, based on what I have heard rather than anything else, is that if a dealer takes a vehicle for use in the business i.e. plant rather than stock for sale, either as a demo or a staff car, it can reclaim the VAT and the car then stands at the net of VAT price in its books. There will be rules on how long it has to be on the books for it not to be regarded as an artificial transaction. The dealer can then book a profit on sale above the net of VAT price. I heard this theory some time ago, so it may not be right any more, and indeed may never have been right. In any event a pre-reg would not be in that position, as it would not be used in the dealer's business, just in the dealer's stock for sale. Only Range Rovers since 1988

Interesting views chaps. all smug in my new plug!

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If it's any help, I sold my 12 month old 5.0SC MY 2018 last week, 115k new, they gave me 92k. It's on the market now for 108, which seems optimistic.

Thanks, thats where I want to be 95........I think it sounds more like taking the Mick on their behalf if I'm honest. all smug in my new plug!

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Pixelpower wrote:

If it's any help, I sold my 12 month old 5.0SC MY 2018 last week, 115k new, they gave me 92k. It's on the market now for 108, which seems optimistic.

a £16K mark up ???? - they are taking the absolute .