Hi all

Not sure how many on the Full Fat site run 6 cylinder diesels, but owners of L494’s have had problems with crankshafts snapping.

A petition asking JLR to recognise the problem as a design fault has been started and can be found here

https://www.thepetitionsite.com/en-gb/535/...k-failure/

Jim

It’ll be interesting to see what continued publicity seeking about the (currently unknown) failure rate of SDV6/TDV6’s will do to the prospect of the trade giving a viable trade in vaulation for these cars.

I’d be equally interested to know how many people who’ve signed this petition so far have any direct experience of the problem, or have simply “heard about it” happening to other people. I can think of at least one person who was sufficiently worried by all of the speculation that he’d heard (but not experienced) to trade his near new TDV6 Fatty in for a different make.

This chap Tyre Fitter had a car with a broken crankshaft

http://www.rrsport.co.uk/forum/topic52892.html

I think that's the point Red Merle is making - no one is disputing the problem exists, but most of the people who are concerned about it, haven't actually experienced it.

My point exactly Alistair

Here’s a quote from a member on the RRS forum that illustrates the problem:

“I felt that this needs maximum exposure & would encourage everyone to sign up, and publicise this petition elsewhere.”

The downsides of this situation is it makes it near impossible to judge the genuine numbers of failures, it’s ruinous of the car’s reputation (and likely trade value) and prone to making LR more defensive and less understanding about genuine warranty claims if they are bogged down with complaints from people with working engines.

LR (China) has issued a safety recall for the engines.

http://www.dpac.gov.cn/qczh/gnzhqc/2...229_81234.html

Red Merle wrote:

The downsides of this situation is it makes it near impossible to judge the genuine numbers of failures, it’s ruinous of the car’s reputation (and likely trade value) and prone to making LR more defensive and less understanding about genuine warranty claims if they are bogged down with complaints from people with working engines.

GraemeS wrote:

LR (China) has issued a safety recall for the engines.

http://www.dpac.gov.cn/qczh/gnzhqc/2...229_81234.html

Google translate seems to do a good job but now the page is no longer available.

http://www.dpac.gov.cn/qczh/gnzhqc/201812/t20181229_81234.html

Something wrong with the earlier link. This one worked a few moments ago.

For the Korean recall LR was blaming poor quality fuel.

Tried the link GraemeS although again it was in Chinese. Thanks for trying.

Balanced responses from Alistair and Red Merle

Noted that one of the linked concerns suggests an owner [non L405... again] being left 'high and dry' by LR after an alleged failure.

As previously, this post, whilst of interest, doesn't concern me at all. That's because once again little to no evidence is being offered of the L405 3.0 Diesel engine variant failing and/ or L405 owners being left 'high and dry' by LR in that eventuality.

Any who are genuinely concerned about their 3.0 L405 could do worse than scour this forum for a balanced view about L405 engine failure (not about the Discovey, not about the RRS... about the L405).

If this is such a big issue for the L405 3.0 diesel, why are the overwhelming majority of concerns being offered up on this forum not about the L405 but about other LR models (it's 2019 now and the L405 has been on the go since 2012)?

Google Translate, available when using Chrome...

　　Recently, Jaguar Land Rover (China) Investment Co., Ltd. in accordance with "defective auto product recall regulations" and "defective auto product recall regulations Implementation Measures" requirements, filing a recall plan to the State Administration of market supervision and management, decided 2019 Nian 4 Yue On the 5th , some of the imported Land Rover Range Rover, Land Rover Range Rover, Land Rover New Range Rover and Land Rover's fourth-generation car series were recalled , totaling 68,828 . details as follows:

　　(A) 2012 Year 5 Yue 9 to 2016 in 4 Yue 12 part of the production of the 2013-2016 model year Land Rover Range Rover new car series, a total of 2772 Liang;

　　(B) 2009 in 9 Yue 3 to 2013 in 5 Yue 3 on the production part of the 2010-2013 model year Range Rover sports car series, a total of 20154 Liang;

　　(C) 2013 Year 10 Yue 24- to 2016 in 4 Yue 26 part of the production of the 2014-2016 model year Land Rover Range Rover Sport new car series, a total of 3593 Liang;

　　(D) 2009 of 9 Yue 3 to 2016 in 5 Yue 8 part of the production of the 2010-2016 model year Land Rover Discovery 4 series vehicles, a total of 42309 vehicles.

　　Due to the manufacturer's manufacturing reasons, some of the vehicles in this recall may have premature wear due to insufficient lubrication. In extreme cases, the crankshaft may break, causing the engine's power output to be interrupted, posing a safety hazard. Jaguar Land Rover (China) Investment Co., Ltd. will diagnose the vehicles within the scope of the recall and replace the improved engine for free of potential risks based on the diagnosis to eliminate potential safety hazards.

　　The recall was carried out under the circumstances of the start of the defect investigation by the State Administration of Market Supervision. For some time, the Defective Product Management Center of the State Administration of Markets has received complaints from consumers about this issue. After receiving the complaint, the State Administration of Market Supervision immediately deployed the Defective Product Management Center to conduct a defect investigation and assessment of the above issues. Affected by the investigation, Jaguar Land Rover (China) Investment Co., Ltd. decided to take recall measures to eliminate potential safety hazards.

　　Jaguar Land Rover (China) Investment Co., Ltd. will notify the relevant users of the recall by registered mail, telephone, SMS, etc. Related users can call the Land Rover brand customer service hotline 400-820-0187 (service hours are Monday to Sunday, 24 hours a day) via landline or mobile phone . Users can also visit the Defence Product Management Center of the State Administration of Markets ( www.dpac.gov.cn ) and the WeChat Public Account ( SAMRDPAC ) for more information. In addition, you can also call the National Product Supervision and Administration Administration Defective Product Management Center hotline: 010-59799616 to reflect problems in the implementation of the recall or to submit defects.

The problem hasn’t exactly been helped by LR recognising / advising that there is an issue with the V6 Diesel in the L405 within their own Bulletin to dealers. 2021 L405 Vogue SE 4.4 V8 DIESEL ~ #17