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uzp315



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Chinese air springs from ebay - £72 Part no: LR051700

Has anyone tried these: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/for-Range-Land-...SwNxda2DhQ

How do the prices compare to Dan at DuckworthParts? Dan?

Thanks
Mark

Post #485167 4th Aug 2018 12:55pm
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Meerbusch



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This China Import is dangerous and expensive, but will be toped from this junk:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HQ-Air-Suspensi...5731.m3795

your car will become to a dragster after riding in the mood....... L405 SDV8 2017 + Lancia Flavia Coupe 1964 + RRS L494 3.0 SDV6 + C220CDI Convertible 2021

Post #485271 5th Aug 2018 9:50pm
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uzp315



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Hi Meerbusch,
thanks for your reply. I was in Dusseldorf at the start of the summer with my FF to see friends. We went around the Königsallee, and some old beer houses and the famous Frankenheim Brauereiausschank. Great city. Your Land Rover main dealer were helpful people too Smile

Are you saying the part you linked to is dangerous? Or did you mean that the part I linked to is dangerous? Can you explain how it is dangerous please? I know China has a reputation for being poor quality, but it is not always that way. I have spent thousands and many hours on my FF in 8 months, and at the moment I am not working. I would rather spend £70 and have it last 3-5 years and then replace with a better one if needed, than spend £200 on a genuine part at the moment as i need to keep my costs down and the FF is absolutely determined to help me spend my savings Smile

Mark

Post #485287 6th Aug 2018 10:15am
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Boxbrownie



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Hmmm.......”long time to utilize” 😂 David

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Post #485292 6th Aug 2018 11:09am
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nicksaab



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So there is two sides to this, the Chinese quality issue.
Many new and OEM parts are manufactured in China based on technical specs and defined quality standards and are perfect in every way.

Then the other side is the Chinese companies who copy parts and make cheaply. They don't work from technical specs and often don't know or aren't aware of what design/tolerances/ safety features are for or why they are there and that can lead to components which wear out quicker or are inherently dangerous. I have no idea about these parts - for all I know they are made in the same factory as OEM by people who have access to Landrover technical material. But then they might not be - the bolt mountings may be of a thinner metal, or not machined quite right or to the same tolerances which could abject strain on other safety critical components that keep the wheels travelling the right direction.

I put a cheap Chinese made fuel pump into my V8 a couple of years ago - first one lasted 6 months, replaced under warranty, the second one the fuel gauge read 3/4 when full, the third one has a noisy pump and is reading slighty under. That's three fuel pumps I had to put in, in less than a year. However when I compared all three, the float arm was a different length on each one, which meant each was reading the tank contents slightly differently and so no standards, calibration or QA had been applied when they were each made.

Its a three tonne vehicle, the forces going through the suspension components at 60mph under braking into a corner are quite extreme. Sobering thought if the same QA as the fuel pump float arm has been applied to the thickness of metal, or quality of welds forming the bolt mounts on a suspension airbag. Current Fleet:-
2018 Discovery 5 3.0 HSE
2021 Ford Ranger Wildtrack
2019 Ford Mustang Bullitt 5.0 V8
1993 Defender 90 200TDI Pickup

Gone - not forgotten
2016 L405 4.4 SDV8 Vogue SE
2012 L322 4.4 Westminster
2004 L322 4.4 V8 Autobiography LE
2000 P38 RR 4.0 HSE (ex Clarkson test car)

Post #485317 6th Aug 2018 4:54pm
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Joe90



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Regardless of the whys and wherefores, if you are looking to keep yourself, and the car, on the road, and if you need to replace your front struts, go for the Delphi struts, or get them from Dan@duckworths.

Experience has shown (search the forum), that sometimes only the LR specified replacement is good enough. We all tried cheaper front ARB drop links, only to replace with LR ones a few months later. Countless folks fitted Dunlop branded front struts (a worthy brand name...), only to have problems with the top bearings after a few months, and then replaced with Delphis.

£72 ? False economy. Add that to the Delphi strut you will have to buy later!

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Previous: L322 Range Rover TDV8 3.6 2008; L322 Range Rover TD6 3.0 2002; P38A Range Rover V8 1999

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Zebedee



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I do quite a lot with manufacturing, and seen examples of good quality and poor quality in both UK and Chinese manufacture.

Some Chinese manufacture is perfectly good. Many things that we buy in the UK have some element of Chinese component manufacture and if the quality control is good, then there is no reason not to buy a Chinese manufactured item - iPhones for example.

Unfortunately, there are some examples where Chinese quality control is just not as good as it needs to be. I was speaking to someone today who said they could pick up Chinese manufactured brass components with a magnet.... duh! The medical manufacturing industry in the UK and USA generally refuse to use Chinese material because even if the material spec sheet is right, there is no promise that the actual material matches the spec sheet.

I recently had a front strut failure and replaced it with a Delphi one, even though it was £152 more expensive. As Joe90 says, is it worth going for the cheap one given the forces involved?

Having said that, I would love to get some feedback from someone who has fitted a Chinese manufactured one. Current:
- 2017 L405 3.0 V6 Autobiography
Sold:
- 2013 L405 4.4 TDV8 Vogue
- 2004 L322 4.4 Vogue (BRC LPG)
- 2002 L322 4.4 HSE (having fixed timing chain guides)
- 2000 P38 4.6 Vogue (BRC LPG)
- 1981 2-door In-Vogue
- 1980 Ex-Army SIII LWB
- 1976 SIII LWB
- 1968 SIIA
Stripped for parts:
- 2003 L322 4.4 Vogue

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Meerbusch



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Hallo Mark,

very fine to hear about your visit in Düsseldorf, next time you are invited to FRANKENHEIM & co. ...., write me some days front.

I have Garage/Workshop here for Range Rover, so I had replaced such China-waste after some month from a Client with his "dragster", bag was exploded..... for luck in the City, not on Highway!

China you can buy at door strips, mirrors and other parts without security.

Best rgs, Uli L405 SDV8 2017 + Lancia Flavia Coupe 1964 + RRS L494 3.0 SDV6 + C220CDI Convertible 2021

Post #485425 7th Aug 2018 8:31pm
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uzp315



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Thanks everyone for the comments and advice. The FUD has won out and I will buy a genuine part.

Meerbusch, I'll be sure to let you know if I find my way back there again.

Thanks again for your input everyone.

Post #485437 8th Aug 2018 6:13am
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RiDDO



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A cautionary tale regarding genuine Land Rover verses non genuine suspension airbags. A friend of mine had a 'cheap Chinese' airbag explode in his face. Please be careful when considering replacing them. It's human nature to seek out a bargain, but sometimes bargains aren't all they're cracked up to be. --RiDDO

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