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tom0311



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Lower mileage 4.2 vs higher mileage 5.0

Hi all,

I'm from the RRS forums. Had a '58 RRS V6 HSE for a year, love the thing. Has run like a dream for the 20,000 miles I've done so far. My commute is dropping from around 450 miles a week to 80, so I'm after something quicker without worrying so much about MPG. I'm considering another RRS but also looking at full fats as a preference at the moment.

My budget is 10k + whatever I can get in PX for the RRS. 18-20k in total seems reasonable. Any advice as to whether I should go for a lower mileage ~2007 4.2, or a higher mileage ~2009 5.0 with the digital dash display?

The 5.0 sounds like a faster, more economical engine and the interiors are nicer, but realistically my budget isn't that high, so for 19k am I looking at 5.0 lemons? Or can you find decent examples in my range? I've found 2 that look decent, but with a very small difference in price compared to the age and spec:

£17,495 - 2009 stornoway grey 5.0 with FSH, 106,000 miles.
£16,750 - 2007 java black facelift 4.2 with FSH, 63,000 miles.

If I get a 4.2 there's always a chance that in a year I'll wish I got the 5.0. Is there much difference in usable speed? Should I stay away from the 5.0 examples in my price range? Looking to buy in around 4 weeks once I'm at the new place of work, just looking at what's available Thumbs Up

Thanks

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Both are fine machines but I would always go for the 5.0. Be patient and haggle hard; you will fine a decent one for that kind of cash. Bear in mind there is a much smaller market for the petrols so you won't have massive competition queuing up for the same car.

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tom0311



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Thanks mate. Assuming 106,000 miles isn't that high for one of these provided it's been looked after? Think you're right about the petrols, I've seen the same ones for sale for weeks now.

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Lots of motorway miles shouldn't be a problem. Buy on condition and always leave a little spare $ around.

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tom0311



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Always have to have a few quid laying around for the RRS so that's fine Smile

Looks like I'll have to be patient as there are only 3 5.0s nationwide in my price range at the moment, but then I am only looking at trade sales as I need p/x. Might have to be a 4.2 after all but I'll see what's available in a month.

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Drive a 4.2 and a 5.0 litre and see which one you prefer. Buy on condition rather than mileage.

My 4.2 is approaching 100k, not going to change it as it is plenty fast enough for what it is.

good luck Thumbs Up Alex

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Not even a question get the 4.2! The 4.2 is one of the best most reliable engines ever fitted in a Range Rover with very minor issues. OffRoadRover.com An American Western Range Rover Off Road Blog

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Age and condition, as has been said. But read up on the 5.0, as it can suffer some fairly spendy timing chain issues, whereas the 4.2 seems pretty bullet proof. There is nothing that can't be fixed with a hammer😜😜
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Some of the 5.0s had issues at like 20k-44k miles. I had a perfect 5.0 that exploded. So I would suggest that unless a 4.2 is tapping away it is a better choice than a 5.0. There is a lot of research in my book, like some master Land Rover mechanics have basically said the 4.2 is the best engine ever put in a RR. Like Dave Tallant. A warranty is a good idea on any Range Rover, on a 5.0 it is necessary.

There was a guy I think on here who re-did all the timing and tensioners and his engine completely blew at 120k miles. They aren't exactly cheap either, I think a 4.2 is about half the price, and perhaps less, than a 5.0 engine. OffRoadRover.com An American Western Range Rover Off Road Blog

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i had a beautiful and realiable 4.2 and would have liked to have kept it but the newer model tft screen beckoned me and so i reluctantly sold it and bought a 4.4 tdv8... ... - .- -.




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id choose the 5.0 and wouldn't even consider the mileage onto no6 Range Rover

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The 2007 facelift 4.2 is an awesome car and mine was certainly very reliable while I had it from 60 to nearly 120k miles. The VogueSE spec also seemed to include all of the toys so not sure if there was an AB version and if so what it could possibly have added.

The 5.0 is faster and sharper on the throttle which I like - though that can make it slightly harder to drive smoothly when in a hurry. An ill judged stab on the throttle for a quick get away will get it squealing away and make you look a complete dick. The way I drive, the 5.0 is typically 1mpg better than the 4.2 was - but that's normal driving, not when I'm showing it off.
My AB has fantastic leather and the rear seats have cooling as well as heat like the front ones whereas the 4.2 was heat only in the back. Rear seats also recline a little. Otherwise, I think the 5.0AB is less well equipped than the 4.2 VogueSE. No RSE, No DVD, No Venturecam. The Cruise control is now "adaptive" which I find a right PITA compared to the old fashioned sort but I'm sticking with it for now to see if I can learn to adapt. What I find is that instead of me setting the speed I want to go at, I set the speed but the car decides I'd really prefer to go as slowly as whatever is in front of me. Even at minimum stand off the car decelerates before you'd normally pull out to overtake and it can be positively dangerous if you get the timing wrong and you start to overtake just as the adaption kicks in and puts the brakes on! If anyone knows how to turn off the adaptive stuff (with IID tool?) I'd be grateful if you could let me know!

Not yet had the 5.0 long enough to know if it will be as reliable as the 4.2 - but since that was pretty faultless, the risks are all on the downside sadly!

Overall I'd agree with others on here and say buy on condition not for the model. However, you might also want to think about depreciation. I suspect that a 2010-12 5.0 will still be worth at least £10k in 3 years time whereas even a very good the 4.2 will probably be well below that..... Mike - MPx

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tom0311



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Thanks for the replies everyone. Good info - much appreciated. Seems the 5.0 performs better but is a more expensive and potentially riskier option. For my budget I might be better off getting a good condition 4.2 unless I'm lucky. There are some really good 4.2 options out there, lots of vogue SE at ~60k miles and even one at 22k miles. I think the AB option just has slightly different bodykit?

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this is a pic of my AB i had and it didnt have any special body kit on,

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tom0311



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Fair enough, no idea then! Looks good Thumbs Up Was the tft screen worth the switch?

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