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j_rov

Member Since: 10 Jan 2017
Location: Warwickshire
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Flappy Paddles

Hi

Is it possible to fit the gear change paddles to all models? Just seen a set for sale and thought crossed my mind.

Mines a 2010MY 6sp Auto

TIA

Jon __
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30th Aug 2017 1:54pm

millerj90

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Majority of the problem is there are insufficient connections in the rotary coupler to support the operation of the paddles. I have read one person managed it with a "trailing lead".

The following article may help: - http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic6133.h...ddle+shift

30th Aug 2017 3:12pm

Spooky

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It's not possible on the TdV8 6-speed ... as I found out the hard way!!!

Apparently it's a gearbox hardware issue ... Regards,
Mick

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30th Aug 2017 3:20pm

j_rov

Member Since: 10 Jan 2017
Location: Warwickshire
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Thanks Mick

I shall get it out of my head now then!!! __
2018 L405 3.0 TDV6 Vogue SE Fuji White
2000 4.6 V8 HSE Oxford Blue
1994 3.9 V8 Vogue Ardennes Green - resto project

Land Rover History:
2010 3.6 TDV8 Autobiography Stornoway Grey
2001 Discovery 2 TD5 GS
1999 Discovery 2 V8i XS
1994 Discovery 300Tdi
1993 Discovery 200Tdi
1989 Range Rover Vogue SE 3.5EFi
1976 Series 3 2.25
1977 Range Rover 2 door 3.5 Carb

30th Aug 2017 3:49pm

mzplcg

Member Since: 26 May 2010
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Spooky wrote:
It's not possible on the TdV8 6-speed ... as I found out the hard way!!!

Apparently it's a gearbox hardware issue ...

Really? If it's a true MY10 the box can have a hybrid firmware applied (GAP) which is what I did on my 59 plate Supercharged. This had the ZF 6HP28 box & factory paddles although it wasn't the TDV8, but IIRC the TDV8 on the 10MY (LCD dash is a good indicator) also used the 6HP28.

I believe the older cars had the 6HP26 which can also take paddles (available on the Jag XF since 07) but the canbus was not set up on the FFRR to accommodate this. The 2009 to 2010 change involved a major change to CANBUS, hence the 2010 cars can be done (I think)

The thing I found out is that the change from the 3.6 to the 4.4 TDV8 was done in 2 stages. One stage saw the arrival of a LCD dash and some rather wooden brakes but kept the 3.6 and had no shift paddles. This update did include the change of CANBUS standard.

The we saw the arrival of the 4.4 with the 8 speed box and paddles, and some better 6 pot brakes.

Might be worth checking with Bodsy or the GAP boys. They will know 100%

31st Aug 2017 8:10am

millerj90

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If I understood the article I posted. The guy re engineered the paddles to operate as simple switches, replicating the action of the gear shift in manual sport mode.

31st Aug 2017 8:25am

mzplcg

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And that would work on the older cars which don't have CANBUS support for paddles, I recall reading the same thing, probably on here. But the 2010MY update saw CANBUS go to 11 bit from the older 29 bit system.

If (after removing the airbag) the steering wheel has the connector for the paddles, unless a later wheel has been fitted the odds are that it can be done.

31st Aug 2017 8:34am

j_rov

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Location: Warwickshire
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Quite the quandary then! Will it be easily recognisable that the connections are there if i remove the airbag?

I'd like them for more gear control off-road than for sporty driving. __
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2000 4.6 V8 HSE Oxford Blue
1994 3.9 V8 Vogue Ardennes Green - resto project

Land Rover History:
2010 3.6 TDV8 Autobiography Stornoway Grey
2001 Discovery 2 TD5 GS
1999 Discovery 2 V8i XS
1994 Discovery 300Tdi
1993 Discovery 200Tdi
1989 Range Rover Vogue SE 3.5EFi
1976 Series 3 2.25
1977 Range Rover 2 door 3.5 Carb

31st Aug 2017 9:12am

mzplcg

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Do you have the digital LCD dash? If yes you will be able to retrofit paddles. If you have the older analogue instrument pack you have the older 29 bit CANBUS which cannot accommodate paddles.

Under the airbag there will be a 4 pin connector which the paddles plug into.

31st Aug 2017 10:37am

stan
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from memory i'm sure you are automatically restricted to low gears in off road height so the paddles are a bit pointless for off road use, in fact they are totally pointless for a large suv like the FF... ... - .- -.

Y. O. L. O.
.

31st Aug 2017 10:41am

MPx

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Oh I don't know Stan there's at least some point on-road. Part of the purpose of the car is to make us grin. Flapping down a couple of cogs in the SC before flooring it to pass slower traffic never fails to make me grin...... Mike - MPx

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31st Aug 2017 12:04pm

stan
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..again , i find the kickdown/acceleration adequate on my previous 4.2 SC and now my 4.4 tdv8 .. ... - .- -.

Y. O. L. O.
.

31st Aug 2017 12:14pm

j_rov

Member Since: 10 Jan 2017
Location: Warwickshire
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I have the LCD dash etc and the 6hp26 box according to TOPIX.

Regarding off roading, I think paddles are very useful, especially for ascending under control while keeping both hands on the wheel. __
2018 L405 3.0 TDV6 Vogue SE Fuji White
2000 4.6 V8 HSE Oxford Blue
1994 3.9 V8 Vogue Ardennes Green - resto project

Land Rover History:
2010 3.6 TDV8 Autobiography Stornoway Grey
2001 Discovery 2 TD5 GS
1999 Discovery 2 V8i XS
1994 Discovery 300Tdi
1993 Discovery 200Tdi
1989 Range Rover Vogue SE 3.5EFi
1976 Series 3 2.25
1977 Range Rover 2 door 3.5 Carb

31st Aug 2017 12:31pm

j_rov

Member Since: 10 Jan 2017
Location: Warwickshire
Posts: 386

mzplcg wrote:
Do you have the digital LCD dash? If yes you will be able to retrofit paddles. If you have the older analogue instrument pack you have the older 29 bit CANBUS which cannot accommodate paddles.

Under the airbag there will be a 4 pin connector which the paddles plug into.

Thanks, sounding more positive... __
2018 L405 3.0 TDV6 Vogue SE Fuji White
2000 4.6 V8 HSE Oxford Blue
1994 3.9 V8 Vogue Ardennes Green - resto project

Land Rover History:
2010 3.6 TDV8 Autobiography Stornoway Grey
2001 Discovery 2 TD5 GS
1999 Discovery 2 V8i XS
1994 Discovery 300Tdi
1993 Discovery 200Tdi
1989 Range Rover Vogue SE 3.5EFi
1976 Series 3 2.25
1977 Range Rover 2 door 3.5 Carb

31st Aug 2017 12:32pm

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