crikey that's lot of fecking about just to get this sorted..... ... - .- -.




Y. O. L. O.
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i've spoken to my son who does this kind of thing in his garage and he siad that it can be done on the car by putting cleaner in and keeping the engine revved up for around 15-20 minutes....

he can also clean it for £150 plus return postage if you send the dpf to him..

he also said that the dpf sensor has to be reset by a diagnostic tool ...

most worrying is that my son suggested that there might be an underlying problem causing the dpf to clog up, could be a faulty sensor or an faulty injector pushing to much fuel through... ... - .- -.




Y. O. L. O.
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Thanks for the info Stan. I'm pondering all my options at the moment.

On your sons last point i.e. "are we curing the symptoms not the disease?", I posted near the start of this thread about the LR technical bulletin regarding the turbo oil drain mod. Now I think my car falls into this bulletin (including VIN range) and indeed I get blue smoke on heavy acceleration from time to time but while my car was with LR while they tried to regenerate the DPF, they absolutely insisted this bulletin doesn't affect my car. I pointed out that I have the two symptoms described in the bulletin and my car is in the affected range, but they just kept saying "the computer would tell us if your car was affected and it's not so we don't need to do that modification"

"computer says no"

the computer cant tell!!!!

the only method [afaik] is to accelerate to over 2500 rpm so the second turbo kicks in and observe if theres smoke coming from the rear.. ... - .- -.




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yep , no matter how I tried, they would not have it.
I think the guy behind the desk was referring to their booking system or cross referencing the car VIN to LR's system or something or other that flags things rather than a diagnostic computer plugged into the car. But regardless, he kept telling me that it didn't apply to my car therefore it didn't need doing.

I've lost count the number of times the service reps treat customers as though they know naff all.

I even asked for the workshop / operations manager to call me....who totally never did.

If it helps, Iwas told that the turbo drain mod applies to ALL L322 4.4tdv8's and even early L405's .
The TSB is in Wiki and it will confirm affected Vin's ?

I have got a paper copy if you need it you are welcome to it. G reg 2.5VM Vogue Portofino red 1991- 1999
V reg 2.5td P38 Rioja red 1999- 2006
53 reg td6 Vogue Oslo blue 2006- 2015
11 reg 4.4 TdV8 Vogue SE. Baltic blue 2015- date.
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I don't think the drain mod is a recall, even though it is a design fault. I think if you have a warranty and it is causing problems they will do it, but otherwise (like me) it's the owner's problem, you might have to bite the bullet of the eight hours work. Another reason not to buy another diesel. Only Range Rovers since 1988

Thanks - Blue - I have the TSB.
I even quoted it to the service rep line by line.
He wasn't interested simply replying that if my car was affected, when he brought up my car on their system, it lists all recalls or TSBs that apply to my vehicle and that this one wasn't listed.

Yeah I know its not a recall, I wasn't asking them to do it for free....He said it didn't apply to my car.

I had a similar experience when the brake recall was happening in the US. My car was in the VIN range, I called the dealer and LR Customer Relations, both told me "it's not on the list" and that was that. I was not happy about it, but waited, and sure enough LR did recall it maybe six months later, an illustration perhaps of the effect of the fear of US litigation on their priorities as the safety aspect would presumably have been the same in both countries.

You might ask them to look at your turbos to see if there is an oil leak, maybe they could film it for you to see or show you in the workshop. Mine is just being monitored, but I thought I was getting a bit of smoke at the weekend, so may have to pay for this myself, perhaps you will have to do that too, I certainly got zero encouragement as regards even a goodwill contribution from LR, never mind them paying. As the dealer is good/helpful in my case I think the problem will be at the LR level, presumably they can't get Ford to reimburse them and don't fancy the large cost themselves. Only Range Rovers since 1988

Stan,
The whole regen process seems a bit catch 22 to me.
Once you get the amber warning, for whatever reason, it starts injecting extra fuel to use in the regen process, which will presumably generate more soot, which will produce more ash. Viscious circle.

I think we were both lucky to at least improve our chances of getting problems by getting the turbo drain mod done under warranty.

Fleagle , I would be seeking a second opinion from a different dealer soon. G reg 2.5VM Vogue Portofino red 1991- 1999
V reg 2.5td P38 Rioja red 1999- 2006
53 reg td6 Vogue Oslo blue 2006- 2015
11 reg 4.4 TdV8 Vogue SE. Baltic blue 2015- date.
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i think your correct re the extra fuel Michael but its when that fuel is injected into the system..i believe it goes in after the initial spurt and that helps the exhaust get hotter and hence the soot gets burnt off..
hopefully someone with knowledge will clarify.. ... - .- -.




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Like Baltic Blue my understanding is the drain mod item apples to all 4.4s until modified retrospectively or built differently, i.e. later 405s. If you want to speak to the service manager who told me it is Dave Fortune at Lloyd Land Rover in Kelso, 01573 227345, maybe a bit far away to be an alternative for you though. Only Range Rovers since 1988

stan wrote:

i think your correct re the extra fuel Michael but its when that fuel is injected into the system..i believe it goes in after the initial spurt and that helps the exhaust get hotter and hence the soot gets burnt off..
hopefully someone with knowledge will clarify..

Active vs Passive detailed here:

http://www.fullfatrr.com/gallery/albums/us...ption..pdf

Thanks to Stan for posting it recently on a similar thead. Doesn't seem to me that anything needs to be plugged in. But you will need to plug something in to get rid of the RED warning and reset the limp mode. Cheers, Greg
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^ link says once you see the RED warning:

"The driver should take the vehicle to an authorized dealer to have the DPF force regenerated using an approved diagnostic system."
. Cheers, Greg
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