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England 2014 Range Rover Autobiography SDV8 Loire Blue

Sorry, that was a bit of a highjack...

Rilla, I am very impressed with how you have got rid of those swirl marks, I know from experience how difficult it is, especially on darker colours, that sine is feet deep.... top job... Thumbs Up Pete
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Rilla



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Isle Of Man 2009 Range Rover Westminster TDV8 Santorini Black

Sorry from the lack of reply, I am away atm but as soon as I get back I will do a full run down on what I use and how I use it for you all. 2009 Westminster. Mariana black with ivory leather.

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And no worries about the hijack knowledge is power so the more info the better we all are!! Lol.

Great job on that Epsom green BTW, it's a nice colour to Polish, and you nailed it 2009 Westminster. Mariana black with ivory leather.

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Rilla



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mattstevenson2005 wrote:
Hi mate

I'm really interested in having a go machine polishing my Range Rover but always been worried about introducing more swirls than I fix.

Can I ask how many cutting and polishing pads did you use to do the whole car? How long roughly did it take to do each stage on a panel? Do you use a paint depth gauge before starting? And finally what DA machine do you use?

Sorry for the barrage of questions

Matt


Hi Matt.

1; Cutting and polishing pads. Typically, i use the same cutting pad for the whole car, either a 150mm or a small 60mm spot pad for tighter areas. I Personally use Lake county pads, and for general sale there is a choice of 5. They all look visually identical, but they have varying density. The firmer the pad, the coarser the cut it will give. The pads I use can be machined washed (NO softner in though, but a sprinkle of white vinigar helps to break down the polishes) and I usually get 3 medium sized cars from each 1 before its ready for the bin. Typically you will be looking at around £30 for a set of 5 pads (150mm).

2: Time per panel. This is an un-answerable question to be honest. Firstly you have to know all car paints are different. Japanese paints tend to be very soft, and require less abrasive combinations, and the flip side is German cars tend to have diamond hard paint, requiring a more aggresive approach. Then when you factor in age, sun damage and general condition of paint, it becomes a bit of a suck it and see for the novice. The best advice I can give you is start gently and work up untill you see a result your hapy with. Use a low abrasive polish on a medium pad, then work up a bit at a time.

3: Paint micrometer. Yes, I use one lol. This is the model I use: http://www.paintgauges.co.uk/fnpro?gclid=C...Ajz78P8HAQ but in all honesty, I have seen cheaper ones give the same reading as mine. Again, as with the time per panel question, paint depth is a open ended question, with infinite combinations that will all affect what depth is safe, but as a couple of 'rule of thumb' things to go by then I would say A; standard factory paint should read between 80 microns and 120 microns. anything over and you will be dealing with resprayed paint. This isnt a problem 9 out of 10 times, but be aware it IS different paint and therefore may react differently to the polish/pad your using. B, if you have a particular scratch you want to remove, if you can 'feel' it with your thumb nail, you CANNOT remove it. It has gone through the clear coat, and the clear coat is all you have to work with. Go through the clear coat and you will have to respray the panel. C, NEVER compound ANYTHING below 60 microns. SUICIDE.

4: DA Machines. There are a good few choices out there with regard to DA machines, but my personal choices would either be a Porter Cable https://www.amazon.co.uk/Porter-Cable-7424...e+polisher or a Rupes Bigfoot: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bigfoot-LHR15ES-O...s+polisher

Both of those I would describe as professional. If your budget is a bit smaller then have a look at the DAS6: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Action-Orbital-Po...words=das6 which is more than capable of anything you could throw at it, but they tend to go thro brushes in the motor like butter, so be prepared to be changing them regularly.

Any other question, or if you want any info for your vehicle specfically, let me know, be glad to help if i can.

EDIT:

Just stumbled across this on amazon, worth every penny if your looking for a good DA: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dodo-Juice-Orbita...RDK9421A7C 2009 Westminster. Mariana black with ivory leather.

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United Kingdom 2003 Range Rover Autobiography 4.4 V8 Java Black

Thanks for your excellent write up and for your recommendation for DA's, pads and ptg.

This looks the same as your ptg please could you check that it is? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UK-CM8801FN-Digi...SwHnFVwYLP

Also please could you let us know where you get your pads from?

Thanks
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Rilla



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Hi Matt.

Yeah that micrometer looks to be same as mine, good price that. I mainly use a company called www.cleanyourcar.co.uk (maybe .com) for all my detailing products, apart from any swissvax products that I buy direct from rep (good freebies lol).

Again, if you want any specific advice regarding your own car, then feel free to ask, I'll gladly point you in the right direction. 2009 Westminster. Mariana black with ivory leather.

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United Kingdom 2003 Range Rover Autobiography 4.4 V8 Java Black

That's great thank.

Another question.....sorry!

The website lists 3 different Lake country pads which ones do you use?

CCS Pads
Constant Pressure Pads
Hydrotech Pads

Don't want to order the wrong ones!

Thanks
Matt Current
2012 Range Rover 5.0L SC Ultimate Edition
2012 Range Rover 4.4L TDV8 Autobiography
2010 Range Rover 3.6L TDV8 Autobiography
2003 Range Rover 4.4L V8 Bespoke Vehicle

Inventor of the retro fit paddle shift and many other modifications.
Creator of the custom 2010+ RR MK4 splash screen.
Creator of the Range Rover CarPC and lots more!

Founder of Range Rover Owner
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Rilla



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The best ones for you to get would be the CCS pad. They give the best overall performance. 2009 Westminster. Mariana black with ivory leather.

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United Kingdom 2003 Range Rover Autobiography 4.4 V8 Java Black

just looking at the Menzerna compounds and they don't seem to do a 2800 they do a 2500 or a 3800 could you confirm which one you used?

Matt Current
2012 Range Rover 5.0L SC Ultimate Edition
2012 Range Rover 4.4L TDV8 Autobiography
2010 Range Rover 3.6L TDV8 Autobiography
2003 Range Rover 4.4L V8 Bespoke Vehicle

Inventor of the retro fit paddle shift and many other modifications.
Creator of the custom 2010+ RR MK4 splash screen.
Creator of the Range Rover CarPC and lots more!

Founder of Range Rover Owner
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Rilla



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Isle Of Man 2009 Range Rover Westminster TDV8 Santorini Black

Yeah my bad, sorry, fat fingers lol, i use power finish 2500

A good refining polish to use if your learning as you would be this 1:

http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/polishing/po...d_217.html

But that being said, If your on the nervous side, and would rather go gently gently, then something like this: http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/car-polish-c..._1362.html would be a great starting point as it will effectivly do both the cut stage and refining stage in one go. It will work like that because it is niether full compound nor polish, but just in between in terms of abrasiveness.

What colour is you paint?, I can recommend a good polish to use after the cut stage to really give the paint some depth in terms of shine.

Also, if you intend on doing your car, get a couple of rolls of this: http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/accessories/...od_79.html and mask all plastic or glass parts to avoid compound getting on them, its a real tw*t of a job to get it off plastics after if you dont. 2009 Westminster. Mariana black with ivory leather.

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cheers for that, i am thinking of going for this kit as it comes with a full range of compounds

http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/index.php?_a...ductId=675

they don't seem to have many of the lakes country pads in stock at the moment and i can't find any of the 60mm pads or backing plates from that website.

I have Java Black so i was going to get some of the poor boys black hole polish. I am a big fan of the Gtechniq products so would be good to see if there are any you would recommend.

Matt Current
2012 Range Rover 5.0L SC Ultimate Edition
2012 Range Rover 4.4L TDV8 Autobiography
2010 Range Rover 3.6L TDV8 Autobiography
2003 Range Rover 4.4L V8 Bespoke Vehicle

Inventor of the retro fit paddle shift and many other modifications.
Creator of the custom 2010+ RR MK4 splash screen.
Creator of the Range Rover CarPC and lots more!

Founder of Range Rover Owner
rangeroverowner.com | Facebook.com/RangeRoverOwner | Latest Videos âžž YouTube.com/RangeRoverOwner

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Rilla



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no problem. happy to help.

That kit would be an ideal starting point to get you going. I would advise steering clear of the 400 for the time being tho until your fully comfortable with using the DA. If at all possible, might be worth a trip to a scrap yard and ask nicely for a bonnet you can practice on first?.

As for a backing plate for the 50mm pads I use, I have confused the situation a bit, as I use them on my rotary polisher not the DA, for a DA you will need a 75mm backing plate: http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/polishing-ac..._1383.html and corresponding pads.

As for pads choices, in all honesty, there isnt a massive amount to choose between them. I tend to stick with Lake Country as i know what im working with, but I have had great results with DoDo Juice pads: http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/machine-poli...t_141.html and also not been dissapointed with chemical guys pads too: http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/polishing/ch...at_82.html it looks like you get a 5 inch and 6 inch backing plate as standard in that kit so you can use both 5.5 and 6.5 inch pads, and the smaller 4 inch for tighter areas (you will need the correct 75mm backing plate as an extra though).

Black hole would be a good choice for the polish stage, it gives great depth to paint, and smells amazing too lol. I find it works best if you spread at a low speed, then once you have good coverage over the panel, work it at a high speed with light pressure. Ideally, you should see the polish turn almost 'oily' on the surface, when this happens, knock the speed down to about half way and still with light pressure, begin to move the DA in a faster motion. Typically, i would apply a polish like black hole to the whole car, then work my way around when finished removing any residue, then buffing with a good quality microfibre cloth.

As for Gtechniq, this is an amazing product that i love to use: http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/sealants/gte...d_889.html great video on that page on how to aply, so that saves you from my waffle.

It has to be said tho, whilst the C1 offers great protection, is cant quiet compete with the shine a wax can give in my opionion. So if you intend to give it the 'full monty' and then keep up with regular cleaning, i would always go down the wax route. For me, the nano/ceramics are not quiet at the level of finish a good quality wax can achive, but they are getting closer all the time. But if you just want to do it properly once and then not have to do it again that often, then 100% go for the C1 crystal liquid.

As for waxes, we can go from £6 upto £2400 (yes seriously...) so ill just give you some links for best in price range sort of thing:

Cheapest but amazing, if a little hard work on the arms removing:
http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/wax/collinit...d_207.html

Good quality with great finish for the £££:
http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/wax/r222-100...d_505.html
or
http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/wax/autoglym...d_738.html

Price is starting to rise, but you will be able to do your car about 30 times and this stuff is amazing:
http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/wax/autofine..._1038.html

Lottery win:
http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/wax/zymol-wa...d_999.html

Those waxes are just a selection that are available from cleanyourcar, there are a million more out there. I personally use a lot of swissvax waxes: http://www.swissvax.co.uk/merchant.mvc?Sto...Code=WAXES but to be honest, unless your going to be doing this very seriously (and I mean charging people to do their cars), this is well beyond what you will ever require.

Hope it helps! 2009 Westminster. Mariana black with ivory leather.

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