How very odd. For over 12 months and seemingly getting worse I have noticed that when I start the car, parked on the drive nose up on a slight gradient. I reverse (or maybe its a controlled roll?) off the drive... select drive and then there can be a delay of a second or so before drive gets taken up.

I put this down to duff fluid a while back but it seems no different. Yesterday was the first frost we had been out in this Autumn. The car did it's trick again only this time took probaly 2 or 3 seconds before delivering drive to the wheels when I selected "D". This undoubtledly is linked to the outside temp.

Any ideas what it will be?

I had fluid and filter changed about 3 or 4 months back and nothing untoward noted by the auto specialist I took it to. It has just over 80,000 miles on a 2003 TD6.

Once the car has been driven for a short while it is fine. 2010 Disco XS TDV6, 2009 Freelander 2 GS

Previous Landrover products -1990 110 TDI CSW, 2003 TD6 Vogue - RRC TD Vogue, RRC v8 Fleetline, Disco ES V8 LPG, 101 Ambulance "Morph", 1964 SIIa Auto Powered by Jag 4.2 Lump - "Percy".

My immediate thought is that the colder more viscous fluid takes slightly longer to build pressure than on a warm day?

I'm not familiar with the GM transmission in yours so can't really comment on cold weather operation. Have you flicked through the "Description & Operation" section of RAVE to see if you can pinpoint a possible logical reason?

Dan 

please let us know if you find a fix mine does it after its sat over night, oil change made no difference  03 TD6 vogue....Epsom, very nice
03 TD6 se....gone
94 Vogue se....gone

Your gearbox is giving signs that it may be on the way out. The torque converter is the part that breaks in the box.

Any early symptom of impending doom is a delay in drive being taken up, and the fact that it appears to be getting worse may confirm this.

I had a couple of boxes that would take 15-20 seconds to engage drive, and shortly after they blew.

Hope this is not the case

elpeede wrote:

I had fluid and filter changed about 3 or 4 months back and nothing untoward noted by the auto specialist I took it to. It has just over 80,000 miles on a 2003 TD6.

Did they use the propper fluid? 

Yes, they are specialists and we had a long interview before I let them touch the car. It was also doing it before the fluid change. As it was in the warmer months it was not as noticable as Sunday morning. 2010 Disco XS TDV6, 2009 Freelander 2 GS

Previous Landrover products -1990 110 TDI CSW, 2003 TD6 Vogue - RRC TD Vogue, RRC v8 Fleetline, Disco ES V8 LPG, 101 Ambulance "Morph", 1964 SIIa Auto Powered by Jag 4.2 Lump - "Percy".

Right, called the specialist as its playing on my mind. After a quick telephone chat the thoughts are,

a) If it does it in reverse as well it is most likely to be the torque converter draining back in to the system, shouldn't but does happen. I need to park the car the opposite way on the inclined drive and reverse up the drive to check for this.

b) If it doesn't do it in reverse then it is likely to be fluid leaking past the A clutch.

If it is a) I'm unlikely to be left spectacularly stranded, just need to live with it until the box gets an overhaul for other reasons. If its b) and overhaul is far more likley to be on the cards.

H'mm fingers crossed. 2010 Disco XS TDV6, 2009 Freelander 2 GS

Previous Landrover products -1990 110 TDI CSW, 2003 TD6 Vogue - RRC TD Vogue, RRC v8 Fleetline, Disco ES V8 LPG, 101 Ambulance "Morph", 1964 SIIa Auto Powered by Jag 4.2 Lump - "Percy".

Bum!

Its B)

Lets hope I can make it last so I can save my pennies to get it done

Sat for nearly 8 seconds yesterday before it took up drive  2010 Disco XS TDV6, 2009 Freelander 2 GS

Previous Landrover products -1990 110 TDI CSW, 2003 TD6 Vogue - RRC TD Vogue, RRC v8 Fleetline, Disco ES V8 LPG, 101 Ambulance "Morph", 1964 SIIa Auto Powered by Jag 4.2 Lump - "Percy".

sorry for the bad news , the auto box is always a worrying thing... ... - .- -.




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OK Chaps, Just though I'd keep you posted on my current cause of sleepless nights

I've done lots of reading and searching of the internet and forums.


It appears that the 2002-2004 TD6 has a GM 5L40-E auto box. This box is renowned for its ability for the ali of the castings to break down. This will result in dropped pressure at vital parts and also for minute debris to circulate the system which further frustrates the demise of the box. It seems they tend to fail between 80,000 miles and 100,000 miles dependant clearly upon the type of use of the vehicle and driving style.

Parts of the autobox pulsate at a high frequency in opperation (by design) and as such the boxes are frustrated by what seems to be a bad formulation of the alloy casting.

Back to my problem. My local chap quotes £600 odd plus vare and tare to remove, strip and replace the relevant clutch and reassemble. This leave me with an old box with a new part if I'm lucky. Same chap quotes £1500 plus vare and tare for a full refurb of the existing box come the worst.

A Popular Auto specialist from Lutton area (miles away from me!) quotes £1800 for a box, £300 fitting plus vare and tare.

A Specialist in Crewe quotes between £2000 and £2500 plus vare and tare, but did specify a 12 month warantee or 12,000 miles which ever comes first. Week to do the job.. they currently have THREE FFRR's in!

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What would you do???? I plan on Keeping the car for at least another 5 Years, Do tow abroad etc etc..

 2010 Disco XS TDV6, 2009 Freelander 2 GS

Previous Landrover products -1990 110 TDI CSW, 2003 TD6 Vogue - RRC TD Vogue, RRC v8 Fleetline, Disco ES V8 LPG, 101 Ambulance "Morph", 1964 SIIa Auto Powered by Jag 4.2 Lump - "Percy".

RE them failing at 80-100k I'm sure this has something to do with the oil life being 50-60K and the fact they never get a change.

For peace of mind ring http://www.testransmissions.co.uk/ and describe your problems and see what they come up with. They really are great guys who know their stuff. I've used them for fluid changes and have always been impressed with their service.

They may also be able to give you a comparitve price.

Dan 

Your specialist in Luton does an excellent first rate product, at a price.

My last box was £1400 inc VAT all in from an excellent specialist in Sheffield.

There is another specialist in Mansfield who will quote a similar price to the one in Sheffield.

I would not personally go for half a job. These gearboxes are crap go for a full recon, if you go local ask where the box is coming from and then google etc.

My last (of 5) was the existing box being reconditioned. It was done in 48 hours and by going direct did save about £500 distributor profit.

Good Luck

Pauld wrote:

Your specialist in Luton does an excellent first rate product, at a price.

My last box was £1400 inc VAT all in from an excellent specialist in Sheffield.

There is another specialist in Mansfield who will quote a similar price to the one in Sheffield.

I would not personally go for half a job. These gearboxes are crap go for a full recon, if you go local ask where the box is coming from and then google etc.

My last (of 5) was the existing box being reconditioned. It was done in 48 hours and by going direct did save about £500 distributor profit.

Good Luck

You've had 5 gearboxes and you're reccomending them!? 

Yes, the first 4 were from Land Rover, under warranty.

The last one was the only one that seemed to "work"

I have had a fair amount a gearboxes having run a challenge truck for a few years and have got to know some of the suppliers..

You could be right Dan re the fluid changes. The reading does suggest they are much weaker in construction than their ZF counterparts. I'll be looking at fluid changes say every 20,000 or so in the future and filter every 40,000 miles.. just to be belt and braces. 2010 Disco XS TDV6, 2009 Freelander 2 GS

Previous Landrover products -1990 110 TDI CSW, 2003 TD6 Vogue - RRC TD Vogue, RRC v8 Fleetline, Disco ES V8 LPG, 101 Ambulance "Morph", 1964 SIIa Auto Powered by Jag 4.2 Lump - "Percy".