Advertise on fullfatrr.com »

Home > Technical (L405) > Fuel Burning Heater
Post Reply  Down to end
Page 1 of 2 12>
Print this entire topic · 
5.0



Member Since: 25 Feb 2012
Location: Surrey
Posts: 716

United Kingdom 
Fuel Burning Heater

I thought I would give my FBH a go for the first time a few days ago out of curiosity having never had this feature before and because it was the first slightly chilly day. The remote worked fine and the fans started to run but no heat to the cabin. What does the ambient temperature have to be below for it to heat rather than just ventilate? I have looked in the manual and it doesn't say. I am not sure if it was not cold enough or if it is not working properly.

Post #292004 10th Nov 2014 2:57pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
stan
Site Moderator


Member Since: 13 Jul 2010
Location: a moderate moderated moderator moderating moderately in moderation
Posts: 35336

United Kingdom 

there is FBH info in our wiki and did you have the heat turned 'on' .. ... - .- -.




Y. O. L. O.
.

Post #292005 10th Nov 2014 3:10pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
5.0



Member Since: 25 Feb 2012
Location: Surrey
Posts: 716

United Kingdom 

The wiki does not have the answer. The heating was on in the respect that it was set at 20 degrees and was on Auto.

Post #292033 10th Nov 2014 6:03pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
5.0



Member Since: 25 Feb 2012
Location: Surrey
Posts: 716

United Kingdom 

So it seems that the temperature has to be set at a higher level on the dash. I put it up to 24 degrees today and gave it a go. Toasty warm in no time. I am quite impressed having never had this feature before (it has never been standard fit on my previous S/Cs). However I don't understand why the temperature needs to be set higher than you would normally have it set. It's a bit of a nuisance if I have to remember to bump up the temperature dial everytime I leave the car in case the next time I use it I want the FBH on beforehand. If the actual cabin temp is below the selected temp logically it should heat to that selected temp whatever it is? Has anyone else experienced this?

Post #292528 12th Nov 2014 5:25pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
CubaLibre



Member Since: 12 Jun 2014
Location: Herts
Posts: 12

United Kingdom 

TIMED CLIMATE CONTROL OPERATION

When the ATCM receives a timed climate control start request, its response depends on the ambient air temperature:

If the ambient temperature is 16 °C (61 °F) or more, the ATCM initiates parked ventilation and:
Operates the blower at 47% of maximum speed.
Operates the distribution doors in the heater assembly to direct the air to the face level outlets.
If the ambient temperature is less than 16 °C (61 °F) and more than -20 °C (-4 °F), the ATCM initiates parked heating and:
Energizes the changeover valve.
Sends a LIN bus message to activate the FFBH.
Operates the blower at 47% of the maximum speed.
Operates the distribution doors in the heater assembly to direct the air to the footwells for approximately 30 seconds, then to either only the windscreen, or to both the footwells and the windscreen, depending on the ambient air temperature.
If the ambient temperature is -20 °C (-4 °F) or below, the ATCM sends a LIN bus message to activate the FFBH, but leaves the changeover valve de-energized and does not operate the blower or distribution doors. Heated coolant is circulated around the engine and heater core(s) to heat the engine and improve engine starting. Once the FFBH coolant temperature is above a suitable threshold the blower is switched on and passenger compartment heating commenced.
The FFBH will only activate in timed climate control if the following threshold conditions are met:

Pre-burn battery voltage check: ≥11.5V (voltage at FFBH terminals).
Pre-burn coolant temperature check: ≤15°C (internal FFBH measurement).
Pre-burn fuel level check: ≥7.5 liters (value stored in FFBH at ignition off).
The fuel level value stored within the FFBH is only updated when the engine is running. When starting the FFBH in timed climate control with the engine off, the fuel level value used in the FFBH calculations will be that stored at the ignition off event. It is therefore possible for the FFBH to fail to operate in timed climate control if the engine was stopped with a low fuel level; if the fuel tank is subsequently refueled, the FFBH stored fuel level will still read low if the engine has not been started since refueling.

After 30 minutes, or if timed climate control is selected off with the touch screen or remote control, the ATCM discontinues timed climate control operation:

If parked ventilation is active, the ATCM:
Switches off the blower.
Returns the distribution doors to the previous settings.
If parked heating is active, the ATCM:
Sends a LIN bus message to de-activate the FFBH.
Switches off the blower.
Returns the distribution doors to the previous settings.
After 3 minutes, de-energizes the changeover valve.
TRANSITION FROM TIMED CLIMATE CONTROL TO ENGINE RUNNING

Parked ventilation is automatically de-activated when the ignition is switched on.

Parked heating:

Is de-activated when the engine starts if the engine coolant temperature is equal to or more than the heater coolant temperature.
If the engine coolant temperature is less than the heater coolant temperature, parked heating remains active until the engine coolant temperature reaches the heater coolant temperature. The changeover valve also remains closed until the engine coolant temperature reaches the heater coolant temperature.

Post #296330 1st Dec 2014 4:41pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
Hobo729



Member Since: 14 Dec 2014
Location: Limassol
Posts: 43

Cyprus 2019 Range Rover Autobiography SDV8 Baltic Blue

Wow - that is some explanation - where did you find that immense level of detail? I have to say that I now understand a great deal more than I did and several things I have noticed now make sense - shame most Land Rover Dealer technicians don't have the same level of knowledge:)

Post #298942 14th Dec 2014 3:21pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
Hobo729



Member Since: 14 Dec 2014
Location: Limassol
Posts: 43

Cyprus 2019 Range Rover Autobiography SDV8 Baltic Blue
Remote control range non existent

So impressed with CubaLibre info I forgot to ask a question - I have to operate the remote transmitter almost touching the car before it will activate the remote heating. The remote has been changed and has been fitted with new batteries but with no improvement - any one else had this problem yet?

Post #298944 14th Dec 2014 3:32pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
Mark L



Member Since: 29 Oct 2014
Location: Tamworth
Posts: 121

United Kingdom 2010 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Ipanema Sand

The remote for mine works from any room in the house.

The only problem I've got at the minute is the alarm going off every time I use the FBH but only when the vehicle is DOUBLE locked.
Main battery all tested normal too.

Post #298949 14th Dec 2014 4:19pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
Hobo729



Member Since: 14 Dec 2014
Location: Limassol
Posts: 43

Cyprus 2019 Range Rover Autobiography SDV8 Baltic Blue

At least you hear when yours is working Rolling with laughter

Post #298952 14th Dec 2014 5:51pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
crookedm



Member Since: 23 Sep 2012
Location: Heswall
Posts: 698

2007 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Java Black

Mark L wrote:
The remote for mine works from any room in the house.

The only problem I've got at the minute is the alarm going off every time I use the FBH but only when the vehicle is DOUBLE locked.
Main battery all tested normal too.


Worth every penny these, good uk build quality. Neutral it's just not funny.

Post #299217 15th Dec 2014 11:57pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
wealy



Member Since: 29 Jul 2013
Location: Kings Bromley
Posts: 1020

United Kingdom 2014 Range Rover Vogue SDV8 Luxor

Anyone know what it looks like under the bonnet?

My build sheet says I have it, but I don't have the fob?

Post #412128 4th Nov 2016 5:06pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
Phil.



Member Since: 19 Apr 2010
Location: West Midlands
Posts: 786

United Kingdom 2019 Range Rover Vogue SE SDV8 Santorini Black

You can set the FBH timer from the main screen if you don't have a fob. If it's not on the screen then their is a fair chance it isn't fitted. MY23 D350 HSE
On my 7th RR plus various other JLR vehicles

Post #412237 5th Nov 2016 1:11pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
wealy



Member Since: 29 Jul 2013
Location: Kings Bromley
Posts: 1020

United Kingdom 2014 Range Rover Vogue SDV8 Luxor

Where is it on the screen?

Post #412421 6th Nov 2016 7:47pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
Rambles



Member Since: 16 Apr 2011
Location: UK
Posts: 804

2011 Range Rover Vogue SE TDV8 Stornoway Grey

Mark

There is a software update so that the FBH doesn't activate the alarm when double locked...

Post #412447 6th Nov 2016 8:45pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
Phil.



Member Since: 19 Apr 2010
Location: West Midlands
Posts: 786

United Kingdom 2019 Range Rover Vogue SE SDV8 Santorini Black

wealy wrote:
Where is it on the screen?


Home screen - extra features - timed climate MY23 D350 HSE
On my 7th RR plus various other JLR vehicles

Post #412602 7th Nov 2016 9:40pm
View user's profile Send private message View poster's gallery Reply with quote
Post Reply  Back to top
Page 1 of 2 12>
All times are GMT

Jump to  
Previous Topic | Next Topic >
Posting Rules
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum



Site Copyright © 2006-2024 Futuranet Ltd & Martin Lewis
fullfatrr.com RSS Feed - All Forums


Switch to Mobile site