If needed Eugene I can do the usual as the bumper hasn't gone yet so I can hold off if you want more bits with it


Phil is there any chance you could spare a few minutes to help me out with my issue at all? Pretty Please  FFRR MY06 facelift With TDV8 Alloys Zeros/ATR's
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kingpleb wrote:

Phil is there any chance you could spare a few minutes to help me out with my issue at all? Pretty Please

Yes, of course....but I know even less about the 5L40-E . What's the problem?

Phil

I just need a minute of live data of the engine running from another msv2 owner for the injector and fuel systems sections so I can compare the numbers with mine which I think is a HP pump issue

And was wondering if you had come across anyone who had rebuilt the hp pump at all as I can get the kits for £25 to repair but exchange warranted units are £325+vat never mind the work to get it off !!!

Mucho appreciate any help you can offer, some examples of the data I got are in my gallery  FFRR MY06 facelift With TDV8 Alloys Zeros/ATR's
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Actually ignore me, I thought you had a td6 for some reason! Total blonde moment  FFRR MY06 facelift With TDV8 Alloys Zeros/ATR's
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Wauw Phil, that is really good info. Thank you very much for this. Getting the parts over here is going to be a major issue, so I am not even going to try. I will have to source them from Europe and ship them here.

I have also found out a little more info that I would like you to ponder over as well. This afternoon I went for my first drive with the correct fluid level. Yesterday I removed 1.5 liter excess, at a temp of 32 start and 40 C end.

I also reset the adaptations.

Today when I drove it, in the beginning, say the first kilometer shifting went fine, a little flaring on 3 to 4 but not too bad. Then it gradually got worse as the gearbox warmed up and I changed back to manual shifting. I plan to test the same again tomorrow afternoon, when the box is "cool" again. I will hook up the faultmate to keep an eye on the temperature.

Now I am hoping (but no idea yet how to find out) that the newer software (mine is still running on the original firmware of 2005 when it was built) has better correction graphs in it to cope with this (at least I assume it is) wear issue. So my next step is reflashing the ECU, my Faultmate seems to be stable in its communication so I have a bit more confidence that I can reflash it safely. I do need to find a spot where I can have a charger on my (brand new) battery during the reflashing, apparently it can take some time and cause battery voltage to drop, causing issues with the reflashing.

What do you think about the temperature issue ??

The problem is best described as follows :

In automatic, the car drives fine up to 3rd gear, then it wants to shift up, revs go up (like it is not shifting properly, like it is hanging between 3 and 4) and it decides to go back to three or it "bangs" into 4. Downshifting is fine.

In manual, if you keep some acceleration going, it shifts fine in every gear. Downshifting is no issue.

In manual, when you don't accelerate or accelerate very little, it either doesn't change up to 4 or it tries and "doesn't" make it. You can even "provoke" the shift fault in manual but it is quite hard to do. MY 2010 5.0 SC Galway green and sand interior!!
Have the Faultmate MSV2 Extreme to be tinkering with the settings etc. !!

There are a three significant things going on with the transmission control system when a 3-4 upshift is triggered (i.e. B-clutch is disengaged while E-clutch is engaged) :

1. The EDS4 proportional solenoid (blue cap) is activated to provide pressure to Shift Valve 2
2. The MV1 solenoid (black cap) is activated to move Shift Valve 1 against its preload spring to open up the hydraulic circuit from Shift Valve 2 to the E-clutch holding & clutch valves (this is the circuit with the accumulator/damper in it)
3. The EDS2 proportional solenoid (blue cap) is deactivated to depressurise the B-clutch holding & clutch valves and therefore disengage the B-clutch

Might it be possible to use the ‘Capture Data’ function of your Faultmate to record your L322 upshifting through the gears (accelerating as slowly as practical – while still demonstrating the issue - on a fixed throttle opening, as the data capture rate is only 1Hz) and saving the data to a .csv file and posting it up on here then we can check that the controller is providing the correct signals to the various solenoids?

Phil

Hi Phil, I can only find the Capture Data function for the Petrol EMS which has no data about the transmission. The transmission doesn't show any data capture option like that. I am running 1.31a of the VE.

Regarding temperature, during my test the gearbox heated up very quickly, say 10 mins before it was at 52. The 3-4 shift wasn't any better. So I tried the reset adaption values but no change. Still the same issues.

I am now installing the flash file loader program on the laptop for flashing the ECU. MY 2010 5.0 SC Galway green and sand interior!!
Have the Faultmate MSV2 Extreme to be tinkering with the settings etc. !!

Phil, I was doing some more Google research on the gearbox issue and found one of your posts on Rangerovers.net. In that post you recommend reflashing with one of two software upgrades. How do I know which one is best for my car. Note: I use the versions that Blackbox Solutions have on their website, supposedly they get them directly from JLR.

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And the plot thickens. Tonight I did my little run to move the oil through the box before I have the oil changed again on Saturday. The first run (cars warm up very fast here) was OK-ish flaring but not the full monty bang. So the next round was in manual.

I noticed that the car always pulls away in 2nd, not in 1st. So I decided to do an experiment, start in 1st, then flick it to D and set off. Well that makes a bit of a difference. Under mild acceleration, little flaring, but not too bad. Under slow acceleration still banging and throwing a fault.

I did the trick a few times and again under mild acceleration it seems fine. Now what the heck does that mean..........................

Still getting my small laptoppie to get ready for the Flash File Loader, may take a bit of time. MY 2010 5.0 SC Galway green and sand interior!!
Have the Faultmate MSV2 Extreme to be tinkering with the settings etc. !!

Tonights little drive showed that if you keep a decent bit of acceleration going, the 3-4 shift issue is not there. Mind you, on the roads here and with a SC that is not an option but still it shows that it can still do a good 3-4 shift.

The laptoppie is a bigger issue, can't get the MS software for the Flashfile loader on it. Bloody MS. So better get IT to make sure it is a genuine copy and get me the relevant software on it. MY 2010 5.0 SC Galway green and sand interior!!
Have the Faultmate MSV2 Extreme to be tinkering with the settings etc. !!

What kind of laptop are you trying to use?

I have copies of xp for Dells that auto activate if it helps  FFRR MY06 facelift With TDV8 Alloys Zeros/ATR's
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I'm using a Toughbook CF-M34 that came with XP prof and SP2. For the flash file loader you need .Net Framework 3.0 minimum.

I tried to load some other stuff, like Defender etc. and then the MS site said I needed the download manager. so I got it. Then the download manager doesn't want to work without SP2 although it is installed. Then I got some BS about it not being a genuine copy of XP.

Anyway, it is downloading .Net3.5 at the moment so see how that goes. Will keep you posted in case I need help  MY 2010 5.0 SC Galway green and sand interior!!
Have the Faultmate MSV2 Extreme to be tinkering with the settings etc. !!

.net framework downloaded but still doesn't work, now I do get a fault report on the Flash File Loader. Will have another go tomorrow. MY 2010 5.0 SC Galway green and sand interior!!
Have the Faultmate MSV2 Extreme to be tinkering with the settings etc. !!

Completely re-installed XP with SP3 and .NET Framework and it is working fine now. Transferred the two VBF files to the Faultmate and hopefully I get my chance this weekend to flash the ECU. MY 2010 5.0 SC Galway green and sand interior!!
Have the Faultmate MSV2 Extreme to be tinkering with the settings etc. !!

The reflash is done, took less than 20 minutes (although three but that is due to Faultmate software not working perfectly). Anyway, it did not do anything for the 3-4 shift so I am using the car in tiptronic mode (and it does well in that mode).

So next plan is to reflash the Engine Management ECU as well, just to make sure that is up to date. For all I know there could be an issue with the torque signal between the transmission and engine ECU that could potentially (maybe a bit far fetched) cause the issue.

If this doesn't work, I will have to take apart the Mechatronic unit but I first need to find out where to get a new intermediate plate from and I need to know which type it needs to be.

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