Trouble is a lot of people think you can just go by what the computer says n change that but the computer don't always get it right. I can say Martin knows his fault finding techniques very well. You'll get an answer soon mate

True you say that. We rely on the computer to ne right but then they can be wrong. We shall see. Current Cars

2006 Range Rover Vogue 4.2 V8 Supercharged Petrol
1996 Williams Clio 2

Previous cars

Bentley GT Continental
Porsche Cayenne 4.5s
4.2 V8 Supercharged Range Rover
Porsche Boxster 3.2s
Ford Kuga
Nissan 350z
BMW 316
Porsche Boxster 2.5s
Golf 2.8 VR6 Highline
Renault Clio 16v
Vauxhall Nova GTE

Think it's mostly down to how lazy a lot of people have become and simply assume the reader is correct. I changed the rocker covers on mine a few weeks ago. Had a flat battery so AA called but its running a bit rough. Can hear it on the exhaust it sounds likr its misfiring, plugs it in n he reckons the injector id at fault as the codes are for the injector or the wiring. Look at it thr next day n the injector wasn't even connected

Bean19844 wrote:

I can say Martin knows his fault finding techniques very well.

**UPDATE - So I have received an email from the garage. It has been in now for 9 days

Before it went inI advised that it has missfires on bank 1 on cylinders 1,3,5,7

I also asvised I had these errors since I bought the car and have had the whole exhaust system replaced.

Before I reply to the email (to be honest im not too impressed). Anyone have advice on what I should reply?

Email attached

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At least they’re getting a car in to compare with yours rather then just assuming there’s a fault with yours and starting to swap parts out and charging you for them.

David. 2002 4.6 Vogue SE - Alveston Red with Lightstone Leather
2007 Range Rover Supercharged in Java Black with Ivory Leather
2012 Range Rover 5.0 SC Autobiography in Indus Silver with Jet/Ivory Interior
2012 Range Rover 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography in Baltic Blue with Sand Interior

When I took the car in I did tell them these were the issues so we knew it was bank1 and missfires on all cylinders. They can say they dont know why it is. But to have the car for 9 days and to tell me exactly what I told them. I am really struggling here with a reaponse to them without flipping a lid. So I have to pay for diagnostics on somethimg that I had already diagnosed for them??

As for the exhaust I had the missfires before ai replaced it. Original owner said it was the cats that were shot and to replace the system. I did replace it but hasn’t made any difference. Current Cars

2006 Range Rover Vogue 4.2 V8 Supercharged Petrol
1996 Williams Clio 2

Previous cars

Bentley GT Continental
Porsche Cayenne 4.5s
4.2 V8 Supercharged Range Rover
Porsche Boxster 3.2s
Ford Kuga
Nissan 350z
BMW 316
Porsche Boxster 2.5s
Golf 2.8 VR6 Highline
Renault Clio 16v
Vauxhall Nova GTE

I guess that is the only differences. The waveform. What is this? Current Cars

2006 Range Rover Vogue 4.2 V8 Supercharged Petrol
1996 Williams Clio 2

Previous cars

Bentley GT Continental
Porsche Cayenne 4.5s
4.2 V8 Supercharged Range Rover
Porsche Boxster 3.2s
Ford Kuga
Nissan 350z
BMW 316
Porsche Boxster 2.5s
Golf 2.8 VR6 Highline
Renault Clio 16v
Vauxhall Nova GTE

Think the trouble is mate, any garage would have too do their own fault finding. I guess it's the trouble when you take it too garage A and they say yea it's this, then can't fix it, then garage B say its this so do that and your no better off etc. I get your pretty hacked off mate. If it was me I'd just leave it with them and see what they say when they've had the other motor in. You'll get an answer from them at the very least with what the issue is despite the time

100% right....just dont want to get charged for 9 days when we are at the same point as before I took car in.

You are right of course. I didnt think car would be in this long.

Inconclusive missfires etc. Thought it would be pricey but not long to diagnose.

Will see what happens next week Current Cars

2006 Range Rover Vogue 4.2 V8 Supercharged Petrol
1996 Williams Clio 2

Previous cars

Bentley GT Continental
Porsche Cayenne 4.5s
4.2 V8 Supercharged Range Rover
Porsche Boxster 3.2s
Ford Kuga
Nissan 350z
BMW 316
Porsche Boxster 2.5s
Golf 2.8 VR6 Highline
Renault Clio 16v
Vauxhall Nova GTE

The waveform is the signal that the cam and crank sensors send back to the ECU so that it knows what the engine is doing.

They’ll have needed to use an oscilloscope to get the signal from them.

David. 2002 4.6 Vogue SE - Alveston Red with Lightstone Leather
2007 Range Rover Supercharged in Java Black with Ivory Leather
2012 Range Rover 5.0 SC Autobiography in Indus Silver with Jet/Ivory Interior
2012 Range Rover 4.4 TDV8 Autobiography in Baltic Blue with Sand Interior

If its any help too you mate, when mine was in I only got charged 2 hours diagnostic time but Martin had it 4 days so I'm 99% confident you ain't being charged per hour while it's in there. Martin and Sean will call you too discuss prices etc and where too go. It's like mine I've got two choices. Either have the chain redone when it was only done 15k ago or spend £150 and get the fault mapped out. The eml light is on as its advanced by 1° so as Martin said it's a lot of money for no real gain etc but we can get around it so to speak

Sounds like Martin is doing his best to find the fault by comparing to another vehicle. Patience.
If you’re concerned about costs accruing then simply ask
Martin knows his stuff. I know, take it to a non expert back street cowboy instead. Gone to a good home: 2011 4.4 TDV8 Vogue SE Buckingham Blue with Ivory and clear glass = "Rory"
2025MY Defender D350 90 in Silicon Silver on coils
1974 Series 3 Lightweight = "Millie"
Many, many other Landies over the years
My preferred specialist: www.glenrands.co.uk
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@bean. That is reassuring. As I have not had much clarity thus far I am a little wary of a ‘that be £1500 sir’ and not have fully fixed. I think I have done that already. It hurts.

Wish we actually knew what tissue was. Sean called Thursday and said it was an injector on bank 2 or something along those lines. This email has just thrown me.

Anyway I think it will be another week before my next update. Hopefully fingers crossed it is good positive news. Unless I win the lottery in which case you might not hear from moany old me again 😂😂

Appreciate the support and goodwill of you all. I am sure it will come good soon. Current Cars

2006 Range Rover Vogue 4.2 V8 Supercharged Petrol
1996 Williams Clio 2

Previous cars

Bentley GT Continental
Porsche Cayenne 4.5s
4.2 V8 Supercharged Range Rover
Porsche Boxster 3.2s
Ford Kuga
Nissan 350z
BMW 316
Porsche Boxster 2.5s
Golf 2.8 VR6 Highline
Renault Clio 16v
Vauxhall Nova GTE

if he is going to the trouble to get another vehicle in then he must think he is onto something being the root cause of the miss fire. and we all know miss fires can be a ight mare to pin down once all the usual suspects are ruled out.
9 days is a long time for them to hold the car though but i am sure they have nor spent 9 days working on it!!

keep us posted  2012 Vogue 4.4 TDV8 - Current
2014 Navara V6 - Gone
2004 Vogue TD6 - Gone
Grand Cherokee - Gone
Discovery V8 (LPG) - Gone
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