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Strider



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England 2007 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.2 SC V8 Zermatt Silver
Taking front wheels off

I'd appreciate some guidance / personal experiences guys regarding the above.

Last year I had 2 new tyres fitted by my local independent tyre fitters. I noticed they put the car in lower suspension setting (to be expected), but also left the drivers door open and the hazard flashers going.
When I visited them for a MOT this year on my FF there was a RR sport (newer model) having a rear tyre replaced and they were taking the same precautions.
Is the door open / flashers going for the front essential to stop funny suspension things happening ??.

I took my rear wheels off this year and didnt do any of the above (left suspension in normal stting).
I did however lift each roadwheel only about a couple of mm above the ground with my trolly jack locating it on the lower suspension arm and nothing happened suspension wise.

Thanks

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pld118



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When removing wheels on ours, I put it in off road height setting and leave the drivers door open (remember to switch off interior ceiling light) before then chalking wheels on a level, solid surface, cracking the wheel nuts, jacking the car using handbook advised jacking points and positioning axle stands as per guidance before taking the wheel off.

Works every time, suspension has never lowered and I don't activate hazard lights.

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Strider



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Thanks Thumbs Up

I thought putting hazard flashers on as well was a bit ott.

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Haylands



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Flashers does absolutely nothing... Any door open (not the boot) prevents the suspension from levelling..

Having said that I never bother to do anything and never had a problem.... It is supposed to know when you jack it up but I suppose there is the chance it won't..... Pete

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Landphil



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The hazard flashers has become folklaw in some parts of the Land Rover world. It originates from advice given in the handbook about changing a wheel at the roadside following a puncture. The instructions are quite noddy and take you through everything you need to do and include "switch on hazard flashers."

This has been interpreted by some as a technical necessity that prevents movement of the suspension - total rubbish but it lives on in legend.

Post #409665 17th Oct 2016 7:41pm
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Joe90



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Other than unlocking the car (to stop the alarm going off when jacking), and on occasion putting into off road height for better access, don't do any other FFRR specific stuff, never had a problem. .
Experience is the only genuine knowledge, but as time passes, I have forgotten more than I can remember Wink
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Strider



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England 2007 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.2 SC V8 Zermatt Silver

Thanks everyone,

You have certainly put my mind at rest, I've re-furbished 2 second hand wheels to put on the front, together with new front arb links.

NB: Not sure why this post was moved to this section as the topic was the proceedure for removing front wheels / suspension settings / safeguards etc.
"Discussion about original and aftermarket wheels and tyre options available"

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miggit



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It never ceases to amaze me just how far the stupid HSE guide lines have reached.... I remember having a massive argument with a security guard over not putting my hazard lights on the drive around a field, because I had a 4.5 foot light bar going on the roof and strobe packs in the grill and rear bumper Shocked Apparently that wasn't good enough, Whistle works for the Highways Agency and the Police Whistle Censored Muppet Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter

Opening the door will lock the EAS so the height shouldn't change......

FYI Don't try this with a Landcruiser, when unhitching a trailer.... if you leave the door open the rear suspension will continue to expand as you lift the trailer... all the way to the top of it's travel Shocked and then the second the door is shut it will drop 8" Shocked Whistle plus it makes your arms ache from unnecessary frantic winding Rolling with laughter Yesterday I couldn't spell Engineer... Today I are one!
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p38arover



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Miggit, wHen I read your HSE comment above, I wondered why not the Vogue models. Question

Then I realised it's what we call OH&S (Occupational Health & Safety). Ron B. VK2OTC
2003 L322 V8 Auto
2007 Yamaha XJR1300
Previous: 1983, 1986 RRC; 1995, 1996 P38A; 1995 Disco1; 1984 V8 County 110; Series IIA

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miggit



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HSE.... Health and Safety Executive...... A government organisation dedicated to finding the most illogical and dangerous way of doing a job, and then legislate the most expensive and resource hungry solution possible....

Why do they have to wear a hard hat to pick up litter from the side of the motorway?? The only thing above their heads is the bloody sky....

Tree surgeons are forced to wear so much ballistic clothing, that it restricts their movement so much they now have to use a cherry picker, because they are at risk of falling out of the tree....

And then there is the hazard lights... drive around with your hazard lights on so that no one has the slightest idea of which direction you intend to travel.... plus it don't half make it hard to avoid a moving blockage.. hazard lights are for stationary broken down cars and the like.....

Flashing lights (light bar) are for indicating to other road users that you have an abnormal load... not that your a bloody tipper truck or dustcart doing 55 down the motorway Evil or Very Mad Nowadays peeps pay no attention to flashing amber lights, which makes it Censored dangerous when your using them correctly....

The quicker we leave the EU the better, but I bet they don't poke the HSE up Brussels Shocked

Rant over, sorry chaps Rolling Eyes Yesterday I couldn't spell Engineer... Today I are one!
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p38arover



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I've oft commented to my wife about the differences in UK home renovation programmes vs the Australian ones.

Over there, everyone has a hard hat and safety vest even when it's patently obvious neither are required. Here, usually no hard hat, no vest (often no shirts), nearly all the tradies wear shorts. Ron B. VK2OTC
2003 L322 V8 Auto
2007 Yamaha XJR1300
Previous: 1983, 1986 RRC; 1995, 1996 P38A; 1995 Disco1; 1984 V8 County 110; Series IIA

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miggit



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Rolling Eyes It would appear that we have seen the rest of the worlds safety regulations and then decided to better them... I've a pal who used to clear the tree growth from the power lines, he tells many a story outlining the ridiculous health and safety regulations over here.......

There was one patch of trees that need the chop in the middle of a field... the OS map indicated that it was an old mill pond, all be it dried up.. HSE dictated that he had a life boat and safety divers present, just in case there was a flash flood and the pond filled it's self... despite being empty for decades Shocked

Then there was the Railways... a law unto themselves... he was asked to quote to clear some trees off an embankment... He put in his bid with all the HSE paperwork, using highly skilled tree surgeons that were used to working off of ropes.... Only to be told that they weren't good enough... they needed to be mountaineers as tree surgeons didn't possess the skills to work with ropes on a slope Shocked Technically correct, tree surgeons are used to working from the end of a rope with fresh air under their feet Rolling Eyes

HSE.... the biggest single cause of small businesses going under... I wonder how long it will be before it become mandatory to wear had hats and hi vis to work on a car that's on a ramp... along with respirators because of dust and safety electrical rubber gloves because there's a power source present.... And that there must be a fire crew present and specialist rescue works with lifting equipment.... that should push up dealer prices a bit Rolling Eyes Yesterday I couldn't spell Engineer... Today I are one!
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