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Realist



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Ive always thought the AVoff on instrument cluster means that the radio is turned off?

Or am I barking up the wrong tree. Range Rover quotes.....

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zarnd



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United Kingdom 2005 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.2 SC V8 Bonatti Grey

You're quite correct it does.

Mine suddenly died when the alternator packed up suddenly Alex

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Dieterf



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South Africa 2007 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Java Black

No good news.
Did diagnostics with II tool, no faults!
Checked for fuel on fuel line , nothing.
Looked for power on fuel pump, nothing.
Checked for power on fuel pump module, cant find nothing.
Checked all the fuses and relays, fuses all good!
The Relay in engine compartment #5 which denotes fuel, when i activate by hand, i hear a "pump" or similar run behind the grill under the power steering fluid reservoir.

I am at wits end!

Towtruck here we come Big Cry

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ebajema



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New Zealand 2010 Range Rover Autobiography 5.0 SC V8 Galway Green

The SC only has a single pump in the tank, nothing in the engine bay if I remember correctly. So maybe the relay you think is fuel, isn't.

It may be the relay for the fuel pump but now you have to find it. There should be a PDF version of the workshop manual in the Wiki or otherwise maybe Stan can help. Try to find the fuel pump relay and you may have hopefully found your issue.

Have a look in the big black engine bay box with the gearbox and engine management ECU in them, just check if you see anything out of the ordinary there.

Since you don't have fuel and no power to the fuel pump, that is obviously where the problem comes from so better check the entire circuit to the fuel pump. You may even try to put an external 12v power source directly on the pump (remove the rear seat for access) and see if that helps. The seat cushion itself is the only thing you need to remove, not the backrest. Quite easy if I remember correctly. MY 2010 5.0 SC Galway green and sand interior!!
Have the Faultmate MSV2 Extreme to be tinkering with the settings etc. !!

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Dieterf



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South Africa 2007 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Java Black

Pretty much did as you said:
Have a myriad of electrical circuit drawings, but they contradict. Downloaded the FFRR L322 LM 2005-2010 version as well.
The fuel pump relay is in the engine compartment, marked #5 but when i engage it manually it drives something behind the grill below the power steering reservoir.
I couldn't power the pump directly as i couldn't figure out which pins on the multi-plug are power in. (I flipped the rear seats, lifted carpet and opened access hatch)
While disconnected , my fuel gauge showed empty, (opposed to 3/4 when connected) so some form of circuit is still communicating. The fuel feed module has no power indication on it.
What i find odd is that the model 2007 should be Ford/Jaguar but the electrical components; fuse boards etc are still German/BMW, so some hybrid mix?

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ebajema



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New Zealand 2010 Range Rover Autobiography 5.0 SC V8 Galway Green

I'm looking through my version of the workshop manual and can't find anything that could make the noise you are talking about linked to Relay 5 that is part of the fuel system. Unless there is some weird echoing going on, there doesn't seem to be anything there.

Have you tried to measure voltage at the fuel pump connector to see if the fuel pump is getting voltage. Can you hear the pump activate with the seat etc. removed when you turn the ignition on ??

To be honest, it is likely that the fuel pump is not getting power for whatever reason, unless it actually died. Hence the check for voltage at the connector and can you try measure the resistance of the pump windings, just by measuring across all terminals. See if there is something that doesn't make sense.

I think that after the take over by Ford only some parts of the system were changed and not everything at least on the earlier ones like your 2007 and my 2006. Maybe all L322s still had BMW components in them till 2012 Smile.

I have PIN designations in my workshop manual, it's the big 68MB version. But I can't get them to post in here Sad MY 2010 5.0 SC Galway green and sand interior!!
Have the Faultmate MSV2 Extreme to be tinkering with the settings etc. !!

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kezbo1981



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United Kingdom 2006 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.2 SC V8 Buckingham Blue

Dieterf wrote:
something behind the grill below the power steering reservoir.


Sound like the electric water pump which is located there.

I have a used fuel pump from my SC in the garage, I could check which of the terminals go to the pump if that would help?

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Dieterf



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South Africa 2007 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Java Black

PLease do, if i can figure which wires are pump power i can supply external voltage and see if she runs!

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Dieterf



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South Africa 2007 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Java Black

what i dont get is that Relay 5 (i keep repeating) is marked fuel, if i close it i hear that water pump, but not the fuel pump, but distance wise, also not easy to hear. need anothe rpair of hands/ears/eyes Crying or Very sad

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Dieterf



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South Africa 2007 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Java Black

Last thing i tried, with relay exposed and fuel tank sender pipe disconnected, gave the car a swing, did not see the relay close, nor any fuel spew out the sender unit.
So definitely no signal reaching fuel module or from the module to the pump.
as luck would have it, my tank is near full, so really awkward to see into tank, remove the assembly etc.

Oddly enough the manual says that a fuel module failure would be a fault on the diagnostics.
The engine compartment fuse/control box is super clean, all visible plugs and wiring show no corrosion or any damage.

As the car was only bought some weeks back, the dealer is sending a tow-truck in the morning and off to the LR repair shop she goes Crying or Very sad

Thanks for the various help, if i had more time and space and facilities i would have persevered, but alas, duties call!

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kezbo1981



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United Kingdom 2006 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.2 SC V8 Buckingham Blue

May be too late for you, but I've checked and it's the middle two of the 6 pins which feed the pump. The two on either side of the terminal go to the two level sensors.

Post #386143 9th May 2016 9:31pm
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Dieterf



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South Africa 2007 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Java Black

All closed up and ready for the trip to the shop.
Thanks for the info tho, always good to know.
Middle two are Red & Yellow on mine- same?

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Strider



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England 2007 Range Rover Vogue SE 4.2 SC V8 Zermatt Silver

Only just read this post, I know this is a bit late but might help in the future. A mechanic friend showed me this trick if you want to hear something buried in the car. Find a clean bit of hose, stick one end in your ear and place
the other end close to what you want to hear. You will be surprised how much you can hear. The tube acts like a stethescope, plus blocking the other ear does help.
Good luck with getting it fixed I am very interested as I have the same age model.

Peter

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Dieterf



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South Africa 2007 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Java Black

Just had a mail from the dealer, apparently the fuel tank was full of gunk, which blocked the infeed (suction) line and the pump.
Everything running, but they will test again in the morning!

Seems plausible, however the reason for buying this particular vehicle (after shopping around) was primarily because it looked so super clean! Even the spare tyre well, rear cubbies for nav/dvd and fuses was spotlessly clean!

I did however see a lot of dust on the fuel pump cover of the tank under the access hatch.

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Dieterf



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South Africa 2007 Range Rover Supercharged 4.2 SC V8 Java Black

Collected car last night, 100km's driven since-all ok.

Techie showed me the gunk they removed from the tank, there was a lot of debris!
He said that a lug on the fuel pump itself was dislodged, hence no circuit . How that could happen i have no idea!
Anyway, tank thoroughly cleaned out, pump measures full spec pressure on rail.

Hopefully happy motoring ahead Rolling Eyes

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